So I could turn out to be full of it here.
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vaping at high power has an appeal for the flavour aspect. It can be luscious under the right circumstances, with a proper vape setup and the correct e-liquid. Especially with mesh coils and low density wadding (pulp or bamboo fiber).
Subohm vaping is a commercial success too, as you go thru a lot of e-liquid and many batteries.
By using TC, you can optimise the power delivery, as you can set the temperature few degrees below the point where nasty chemicals do form (mostly aldeids) so it can be chemically very safe.
But.
You can't subohm vape indoor (at least, I won't) because of the excessive fogging.
Also, I do practice vape harm reduction, and conseguently try to limit the intake of unnecessary vapour; my aim is to get the nic, and my opinion is, doing it at 9 Watts is much safer.
In the end, PG and VG are considered irritants because they draw water out of cells (just check out the medical uses of VG and the associated pharmakinetics). When used as a medicine, the recommended max daily intake for VG is four grams.
With my harm reduction strategy, I limit my high power vape to one tank (5 ml) per day if using mesh, a bit less if I use a traditional coil.
I have many different RTAs but I don't use them regularly; I am finding the new single use tanks a good solution (just limited by their availability in UK, as the 2 ml type doesn't wick correctly).
Again, this is my personal proposition and standing over subohm vaping, based on my personal original research.
Vaping has "exploded" as a new social habit and its main driver has been a commercial one, full of repetitions and deja-vus, with some slow innovation along with it.
The emphasis has been put on the fact that vaping is 95% safer than smoking; I agree with it, and I am carefully addressing the remaining 5% with my harm reduction attitude.
Subohm vaping is a commercial success too, as you go thru a lot of e-liquid and many batteries.
By using TC, you can optimise the power delivery, as you can set the temperature few degrees below the point where nasty chemicals do form (mostly aldeids) so it can be chemically very safe.
But.
You can't subohm vape indoor (at least, I won't) because of the excessive fogging.
Also, I do practice vape harm reduction, and conseguently try to limit the intake of unnecessary vapour; my aim is to get the nic, and my opinion is, doing it at 9 Watts is much safer.
In the end, PG and VG are considered irritants because they draw water out of cells (just check out the medical uses of VG and the associated pharmakinetics). When used as a medicine, the recommended max daily intake for VG is four grams.
With my harm reduction strategy, I limit my high power vape to one tank (5 ml) per day if using mesh, a bit less if I use a traditional coil.
I have many different RTAs but I don't use them regularly; I am finding the new single use tanks a good solution (just limited by their availability in UK, as the 2 ml type doesn't wick correctly).
Again, this is my personal proposition and standing over subohm vaping, based on my personal original research.
Vaping has "exploded" as a new social habit and its main driver has been a commercial one, full of repetitions and deja-vus, with some slow innovation along with it.
The emphasis has been put on the fact that vaping is 95% safer than smoking; I agree with it, and I am carefully addressing the remaining 5% with my harm reduction attitude.
Finally!!!
Someone else who, like me, puts attys away with juice and old cotton. After years of reading about everyone's cleaning routines, it's reassuring to know-- I am not alone.
My view of more power in a bigger vape producing more flavor is: well it certainly ought to! What the local vape shop guy says is the flavor kind of crosses a threshold around 60 watts where suddenly new flavor notes become detectable and really opens up. I guess I'll never know because all indications from a lower power perspective is it's not what I'm looking for. I can't handle high VG and like to vape a lot. I keep reducing flavoring, never thought I'd be doing that when I started. Some things about my setup, such as a tight drip tip, that increase flavor are not compatible with more power, so it would take even more power to make up for changing that, so it seems like the 10% improvement makes some sense. It could probably have been tweaked to be better, but I commend bomb for even trying that much.
Some of the greatest vape flavors seem only possible below 10 watts, in my experience. I don't think the high power advocates know this. My guess as to why this is, though, is at that power the coil can actually go hotter and produce a higher ratio of nasty chemicals without it tasting bad, therefore making certain juices taste the way I originally discovered them.
Re: mosquitoes, I've thought before about how the combination of the relaxing effect and bug repellent was a big thing for smoking, especially long ago.
Some of the greatest vape flavors seem only possible below 10 watts, in my experience. I don't think the high power advocates know this. My guess as to why this is, though, is at that power the coil can actually go hotter and produce a higher ratio of nasty chemicals without it tasting bad, therefore making certain juices taste the way I originally discovered them.
Re: mosquitoes, I've thought before about how the combination of the relaxing effect and bug repellent was a big thing for smoking, especially long ago.
I won’t forget it again anyway, I hope. Thank you
So I was safe from everything except overworking a battery barring bizarre electronics failure. That was what I was figuring when I attempted this. If it didn’t work it just wouldn’t fire. Leaning that hard on electric safety features isn’t my favorite thing but it was a ton better to simulate a scarily dangerous mech than to actually build one.
I followed this thread when it first started and enjoyed the read. The last two pages I tuned into this morning made me realize 1) I am now out of my league 2) there are a lot of smart folks on here that can carry on a conversation in which I have not understood a single sentence.
I won’t forget it again anyway, I hope. Thank you
So I was safe from everything except overworking a battery barring bizarre electronics failure. That was what I was figuring when I attempted this. If it didn’t work it just wouldn’t fire. Leaning that hard on electric safety features isn’t my favorite thing but it was a ton better to simulate a scarily dangerous mech than to actually build one.
Ya a regulated mod normally just won't fire. Or it will fire but it's not going to give you the full volts.
But ya, not really something we should depend on to save us.
I agree that with the right setup one can get great flavor out of subohm builds. I prefer a mesh-like coils at medium wattages for all my sweet flavors. I still enjoy MTL at low wattage most of the time but leap into foggy tasty moments now and then at home with a dual battery mod.
I have a pair of Ti 24ga/30ga fused claptons in the Supreme V2 coming out to 0.04Ω 450F/85W on the DNA200, I would have built higher but the coils wouldn't fit. 
Nice vape though.
Nice vape though.
I see quite a few people running above 1 ohm on a series deck with a 4S or 5S PWM, drawing nothing from the batteries and having the same quality of vape as a sub ohm build.
The series deck for the Plus and Titan make it easy now to have a high resistance build, all I need is to find a 4S to fit in my GXL case.
That would work. I really prefer SS so I am limited as to ohms because of that. Cant put but so many wraps.
That’s the beauty of a series deck and a PWM. You get the ohms high and voltage up and the flavor is just incredible. More mass on a coil and a fat lipo being able to push it.
I can’t duplicate the flavor on a mech with a .12 ohm build that I can from PWM mod.
Since you have both, is there a difference in size on the Titan deck vs the Plus deck? Hard to fit many wraps on a Plus deck and I don’t think I’ve went over 4mm ID for coil size.
The titan deck is 30mm in diameter if I remember correctly. I run mine with the velocity posts in it to reduce the chamber size a little.
One of the users in the steam crave group put this build on the series post for it, came out to 0.96 and ran it on a 3S. She says it's not one of her better wraps/builds and would probably kill me for sharing it here.
A lot of the users run triple or quad coils on the stock deck. Way too much maintenance for me cleaning and wicking 4 coils, plus they have to share a set of holes as there are only 6.
You will definitely want 4 or 4.5mm coils in the Titan if you run a dual.
The titan deck is 30mm in diameter if I remember correctly. I run mine with the velocity posts in it to reduce the chamber size a little.
One of the users in the steam crave group put this build on the series post for it, came out to 0.96 and ran it on a 3S. She says it's not one of her better wraps/builds and would probably kill me for sharing it here.
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A lot of the users run triple or quad coils on the stock deck. Way too much maintenance for me cleaning and wicking 4 coils, plus they have to share a set of holes as there are only 6.
You will definitely want 4 or 4.5mm coils in the Titan if you run a dual.
Oh wow! That is much bigger than the Plus deck. I guess I’m getting a Titan, lol. I only have one box that will fit it. An N1 with a 3S lipo.
She might not like her build but that is a lot of coil and .96 ohms is outstanding. She ever mention what voltage she runs it?
I'm going to invent a PV - taking donations now for it. It will use 000 Stainless Steel Wire - I'll need a hydraulic press to bend the wire - it will run off of 40 Car batteries and be able to vape at 10 gigawatts... in series... or until your lungs collapse!
Kidding by the way. But yeah, sometimes sub-ohm vaping is the way to go as long as you're doing it safely. I use a Pulse-X RDA and its loaded with triple fused claptons. My very first ventures into sub-ohm vaping came at a high price. I went looking for an atty (at the time very few existed that had post holes to fit large gauge wire), and ended up torching my positive post. I was also building super tiny coils with 24AWG kanthal - when I say super tiny coils, I mean... wrapping 24AWG around 24AWG. To produce the craziest heat possible. Not to mention - I was running it on mechs. Completely unsafe mind you. But hell, who doesn't get careless at times? Now, back then did I notice any flavor changes? Sure - but very minimal. This was before all the super-clapton-stapled-fused-zipper-corrugated-alien-twisted-dna-chainlink-spiraldog-atom bomb coils we have today. Do I notice any flavor difference between my fuse claptons and my regular spaced 316L coils now? Not really. Then again, as always flavor is subjective. I tend to like slightly warmer vapes which most of the times - keyword - MOST - my fused claptons tend to add some heat to the vape. That makes me happy and gives me the warm and fuzzies all over the place.
Kidding by the way. But yeah, sometimes sub-ohm vaping is the way to go as long as you're doing it safely. I use a Pulse-X RDA and its loaded with triple fused claptons. My very first ventures into sub-ohm vaping came at a high price. I went looking for an atty (at the time very few existed that had post holes to fit large gauge wire), and ended up torching my positive post. I was also building super tiny coils with 24AWG kanthal - when I say super tiny coils, I mean... wrapping 24AWG around 24AWG. To produce the craziest heat possible. Not to mention - I was running it on mechs. Completely unsafe mind you. But hell, who doesn't get careless at times? Now, back then did I notice any flavor changes? Sure - but very minimal. This was before all the super-clapton-stapled-fused-zipper-corrugated-alien-twisted-dna-chainlink-spiraldog-atom bomb coils we have today. Do I notice any flavor difference between my fuse claptons and my regular spaced 316L coils now? Not really. Then again, as always flavor is subjective. I tend to like slightly warmer vapes which most of the times - keyword - MOST - my fused claptons tend to add some heat to the vape. That makes me happy and gives me the warm and fuzzies all over the place.
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