Stop the presses, new lavatube 3.0 is about to hit with a 4 amp limit!

[orachel]

Oh wow... just saw this. The 1.5v with 3.2amp limit at CCV was gonna be my next mod buy... but then saw the new vv Ovale is coming to discountvapers, and its incremental, from 3-6v in.1 increments with a dig display, and a whopping $30. Plus, I love my old Ovale, but that only did 3 voltages, total. And now this? My gosh... do we have any idea on the price point of these bad boys? Any chance it'll be $50 like the 1.5v internals at ccv? (crossing fingers)

Ok, I'm at ivape.net, and my eyes are crossing with all those dang tubes. Can someone tell me, is the 4amp one available in just tube alone, or only the kit? I keep looking, but I'm not finding tube alone. Thank you!

 

[KeysBum]

Ok, I'm at ivape.net, and my eyes are crossing with all those dang tubes. Can someone tell me, is the 4amp one available in just tube alone, or only the kit? I keep looking, but I'm not finding tube alone. Thank you!

74.95 for full kit.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I saw that ovale as well. I emailed eric to ask what the amp limit was, if any. He's looking into it, I'll post here when I replies.

I'm sure the construction is cheapish, but at the price, it looks like a steal

 

[orachel]

Hey, Keysbum! Nice to see you around! And thanks so much. I thought I was reading that right, but I'm still up and its 6am. My eyes are crossing at this point. lol

And CyrusVap... I can tell you that the Ovale I have (previous version, just does 3.7,5,6v) is an absolutely outstanding vape. I don't know why its so much more intense at 3.7v than anything else i have... but its just about too hot for me at 5v. These guys really kick. As for construction... I can tell you its one HECK of a lot more durable than a standard vv box mod. There's just no comparison. And it fits in the hand just beautifully. Funny, since I won mine, but it may well be my favorite. Granted, I don't have any of the really high end show stoppers, but i do have a gorgeous Ha-y-n wood mod, and a stainless lava tube and a vision tox (which may well actually work once my metal head from gotvapes shows up. lol)... I really do prefer the vape, at least the intensity, on the Ovale. Its one of those deals where its the perfect thing to take anywhere, and since it has 2 18350s, it lasts WAY longer battery wise than any other 'small' mods i have. And they're not even vv. I use it with a smoktech 1.7ohm super shorty (half the size of a boge) and it disappears in my very small ladies hand. Its the size of a credit card... way smaller than a box mod. Yeah, steal at $30. rofl

And I'm bummed that the v3 tube isn't available in mod alone.. Anyone know if its expected to be in the near future? I just got my stainless lt, so with my budget, I'm probably a few mos away from it, anyway you cut it. Hoping by then its mod alone, but it is a killer price with the 2200mah batts and the 2 attys. And geez... as fast as they're churning these versions out, by the time I have moola to get the new one, they'll probably be available in lime green with propellers that fly.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

that's good to hear orachel

I'm hoping its more intense for you because its holding its voltage under load like a beast

 

[billherbst]

From the product page on the site of a Philippine vendor:

The Ovale V8

An upgraded v6 by ovale. LED display with adjustable voltage from 3.0v to 6.0v

Features:
Amperage Limit is 2.5amps
510 connector
Regulated output​

 

[orachel]

Aha! Well, that is a bit of a bummer, but if that's the case, guessing the older one i have must have similar limit? Seems logical, right? Anyway, its a freightrain. Don't know how. And you know.. maybe mine isn't regulated that low. If I stick a 1.7ohm resurrector on it, and vape at 3.7, then switch it to 5v, no way in heck is it giving me under... what... thinking it should hold me to about 4.4v or so on a 2.5amp switch, but that's just off the top of my head. Its just a huge difference in strength from the 3.7 to 5v setting. Whatever the case, mine rocks. lol Just saw the old version, one I have, at vapingzone, and I believe they have em at gotvapes, still, also. I'd still take the full vv function, and snazzy shiny body, though. Thanks for clearing that up, Bill! I have a couple people I need to mention that to.

 

[carlton]

Vapor Alley has these, tubes only, for $50. They're also giving one away in the suppliers forum!

Oh, and they're called 1.5t.

 

[orachel]

Are we sure that isn't the version 1.5 tube? I theeenk the only major difference is the amp switch from 3.2 to 4? I might be wrong, though. Haven't been following this thread that closely.

Sorry, carlton! rofl.. had I known it was you, I'd have known better to ask. I assume you know what you're talking about. lol

 

[Errol]

Cyrus Vap

This is in response to a brief exchange we had earlier about the V1.5 LT. I got my replacement and ran it through a battery of under load tests and found it to be lacking. It's been my understanding that it is a 3 to 3.2 amp unit but the very best I could get out of it was 2.7A amp most of the tests were closer to 2.5A or less. It was slightly better than the one I had replaced but not enough to make it worth the postage. I've had it with the 1.5 and am hoping the V2 or V3 is consistently good.

One of the oddities of the unit is I could use an inline volt reader if I set the LT at 6v only and the under load voltages were the same using the inline volt reader in conjunction with my adapter and a VOM to get the max voltage of various ohm vaporizers.

The oddity was that if I set the voltage down to what had shown as max with it set at 6v(example 4.9v with 1.9ohm DC Echo Carto) I would get a substantially lower reading from the VOM. In other words I have no idea what voltage I'm getting at any given setting even in the 2 to 3ohm range without the VOM. Don't know if I just happen to get two defective units or if that is the norm and so far I haven't read any review that has gone into depth on output voltages with various vaporizers that has shown 3amps to be legitimate for the V1.5.

Not sure how clear I've been on what I did and the results so feel free to ask.

Errol

 

[Cyrus Vap]

thank you Errol, re reading the post now

It's been my understanding that it is a 3 to 3.2 amp unit but the very best I could get out of it was 2.7A amp most of the tests were closer to 2.5A or less.

this part I get

The next part I'm a bit confused. You're saying the inline voltage reader and the multimeter agreed only when you were at 6 volts? (but showed a voltage drop, as in your example, 6V setting ending up giving you 4.9 volts)

and then when you lowered your voltage setting, you were still getting a voltage drop?

so even well under the stated 3 amps, you're getting voltage drop?

it squares with what I've been told about the LT unfortunately, e.g. you have no idea what you're getting because it drops under load ;(

 

[KalebK]

Is the charger any good from Vapor Alley or should I get a different one??

 

[carlton]

Are we sure that isn't the version 1.5 tube? I theeenk the only major difference is the amp switch from 3.2 to 4? I might be wrong, though. Haven't been following this thread that closely.

Sorry, carlton! rofl.. had I known it was you, I'd have known better to ask. I assume you know what you're talking about. lol

The end caps are different. They also have the regular 1.5's.

And no problem.

One of the oddities of the unit is I could use an inline volt reader if I set the LT at 6v only and the under load voltages were the same using the inline volt reader in conjunction with my adapter and a VOM to get the max voltage of various ohm vaporizers.

Pure conjecture on my part. Since we know that this device is pwm, it's possible that it's boosting the voltage to 6V and then modulating that. So at 6V, it doesn't modulate, it just gives a straight 6V. Make sense? Maybe?

Also, with these pwm devices, it's going to be a little more important to judge the vape versus the voltage. If you've followed the saga of the VMax, you'll see that while the pv may be outputting the proper average voltage, the resulting vape appears to be much stronger. I know that doesn't help any, but I don't own one of these, and everything I say about it is, once again, pure conjecture.

 

[carlton]

Is the charger any good from Vapor Alley or should I get a different one??

Personally, I'd get a better one. A Trustfire or an xtar, perhaps. They aren't that much more money and I'd simply trust them more than I do a non-labeled, generic one. Plus you'll be able to charge multiple batteries at once and multiple battery types. I'm sure that one works fine, though. I'm far from a battery/charger expert, so wait for more opinions besides mine on this.

 

[KalebK]

Cool. Thanks Carlton!!

 

[Kazoo]

EDIT: Carlton.... you made me feel dumb T_T But what you said would make a lot of sense.
Since as I just said below the LT seems to do a better job of PWM then the Vmax. At least that's my take from the reviews I've seen. Damn bro, I spent good time on this post too lol!

Though Didn't the Vmax display 6v on a VOM as well? or am I thinking of the LT review I saw?

I ain't fixin it though lol!

ORIGINAL POST:
Please correct me if I'm wrong but the reason your VOM isn't working is because the 1.5 and 3.0 LT uses a pulse width modulation to regulate the voltage. PBusardo did a review of the Vmax with a similar function and same result. In that review he used an oscilloscope and it showed at the peak it was pushing around 9volts and the valley was around 2volts (or something like that)

What this does is SIMULATES a certain voltage with averages. Now from what I understand the LT does a pretty good job of this. But the end result will always be the same. It is simulated. A great example would be a Car's distributor, you have a center wheel with a power connection on the edge of the wheel and as it spins it makes contact with the sparkplug connection many many times per second. Meaning your spark plugs aren't constantly firing but firing at a very rapid rate
And as you give it more gas (voltage) you get more speed (heat). I hope to god that's right and makes sense lol!

All those Provari people screaming from the rooftop that the unit they have is epic are for all intensive purposes correct. Since the Provari uses buck boosting instead of PWM. Translation is instead of going up and down in voltage it shoots out a constant voltage. ( if I am correct in my understanding of this )

Same argument can be had for many of the VV box mods too. They will either use 2 batteries for 7volts and regulate the voltage down or buck boost. ( I could be wrong here as my research into box mods is EXTREMELY limited )

What this all equates to is the voltage of the provari will be more consistent than that of the lavatube.

Now I wish to state that I don't want to be flamed. I DO NOT OWN ANY OF THESE DEVICES! Yet ^_^
I have just been doing TONS of reading about all these crazy tubes. Mainly focusing on the Provari and Lavatube since those are the most "popular"(?).

I will be getting a Lavatube this week and when I do I'll use it to the best of my abilities and post a nice review of how it works and my take on it from a newbie to VV. NO NUMBERS, since I don't have any magic equipment like most of ya'll.

Like I said please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here ^_^

 

[TheBlueAdept]

I have both the LT1.0 and the Varitube X version from ivape.

I am using 1.5dc and 2.0sc cartos, and so far have yet to want to set it above 3.2v as it starts tasting scorched as it gets close to 4v. The resistance check shows a value within reason for both cartos, but I didn't check with an external meter.

As a prior poster mentioned, I use the numbers as a relative guide and am not so concerned with accuracy as long as the unit works, and for me it works just fine.

I have only had the new one a week so far, but the annoying drop off at tail of battery charge on the new one is gone!! It may be less noticeable since I keep switching between them to compare. I'll try to vape it down to the very end which I learned to avoid in the older one, and really see what happens.

Sent from my phone; Please excuse typos / autocorrections.

 

[carlton]

EDIT: Carlton.... you made me feel dumb T_T But what you said would make a lot of sense.
Since as I just said below the LT seems to do a better job of PWM then the Vmax. At least that's my take from the reviews I've seen. Damn bro, I spent good time on this post too lol!

Though Didn't the Vmax display 6v on a VOM as well? or am I thinking of the LT review I saw?

I ain't fixin it though lol!

You're just making helpful posts. Definitely encouraged!

I think a lot of people, myself included, tend to get too caught up on numbers. The real question should always be if your device gives you a satisfying vape. All of those VMax owners seem pretty happy with it, and that's all that matters in the end.

 

[Cyrus Vap]

I agree entirely, I just want my first VV to be relatively 'accurate'

I'm willing to call it OCD, but still...

My second one can be as 'relative' as it wants to be

 

[Errol]

thank you Errol, re reading the post now

The next part I'm a bit confused. You're saying the inline voltage reader and the multimeter agreed only when you were at 6 volts? (but showed a voltage drop, as in your example, 6V setting ending up giving you 4.9 volts)

and then when you lowered your voltage setting, you were still getting a voltage drop?

so even well under the stated 3 amps, you're getting voltage drop?

it squares with what I've been told about the LT unfortunately, e.g. you have no idea what you're getting because it drops under load ;(

Your understanding is correct however after reading Carltons comments I'm not sure my VOM is giving me good information due to the PWM circuitry. At this point all I'm reasonably certain of is the 4.9V max on the Echo when set at 6v (12.6watts 2.57amp). On the V1 LT 4.5v (10.7watts 2.37amp)

V1.5 on a 1.6ohm DC Vision Clearo 4.35v (11.8watts 2.72amps). On the V1 LT it is 3.9v (10watts 2.58amp)

My only clear conclusion is it is short of being a 3amp unit.

Errol