US Deeming Date Change - Denied
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I started a thread like 1.5 years ago about how partisan politics won't help us.
At that time, the amount of threads where vaping indoors, or vaping flavors (is not safe) or vaping out of any device (is not safe) were between very few and none.
Now, it seems like battle lines have been drawn within our ranks. I very much wish that wasn't the case, but instead of having great support for all things vaping, we now have a whole lot of PC stuff (stuff wasn't my first word of choice) that we bicker about daily.
There are enough Pubs nationwide who tow the anti-vaping line to make it clear that it is not a 100% to 0% issue.
AND YET, there is so much writing on the wall that if executive office goes the way of Dems, vapers are pretty much screwed (for at least 4 years) whereas if it goes the way of Pubs, I see reason to be hopeful. Dems are mostly responsible for FSPTCA which is 80% of what we are up against at the political level. Dems of the national congress variety are constantly using 'the chillun' in their rhetoric as way to score political points.
I really do see it as 85% Dems (of the national variety) hate vaping while around 15% Pubs do. Feel free to convince me otherwise. I'm very open to the idea that anti-vaping isn't partisan, but the evidence thus far shows up very lopsided.
We're on a thread where the discussion is about changing the deeming date. If we look at the stats for support of this monumental change, it is 100% Pubs supporting it, and 0% Dems. And yet, it isn't 100% of all Pubs. If it were, this would be so blatantly obvious that it is partisan issue that I'd feel sorry for the Dems on this site who dare take pot shots and Pubs (i.e. Dick Cheney fans).
Me on my cigalike devices, who vapes all of 2 ml a day, fully supports usage of all devices to be as open / available on the legal market as possible. Never bought liquid nic myself, but fully support that. Vape everywhere I vape with respect, and fully support vaping in many (indoor) public places. Hope flavors, made of all sorts of compounds, are available on the open market indefinitely, with idea that free market, in the information age, will take care of any actual problems that might be occurring in our collective juices. Thus far, I've seen either zero problems on that front, or so small of a number, I'd have to count it in micrograms.
Show me the Dem politician that favors these things and I'll gladly tout them in a few threads. Here in my state, the Pubs specifically sought to exclude indoor vaping from the Clean Air Act, and Duncan Hunter out of CA (of all places) has been one that is being rightfully touted on many threads. I'd very much love to see his Democrat counterpart.
Until I/we do, I expect the partisan stuff to continue.
And as long as the anti-vaping rhetoric shows up, I'm done going easy on the PC stuff.
Besides, I so enjoy attacking the points. And those who speak anti-vaping rhetoric make it so easy, and all the more enjoyable.
Added before I submitted this post: Just did google search on "national democrats that support vaping" and while I didn't go too many pages deep, I literally came up with nothing. I really really really really really hope that changes. Soon.
At that time, the amount of threads where vaping indoors, or vaping flavors (is not safe) or vaping out of any device (is not safe) were between very few and none.
Now, it seems like battle lines have been drawn within our ranks. I very much wish that wasn't the case, but instead of having great support for all things vaping, we now have a whole lot of PC stuff (stuff wasn't my first word of choice) that we bicker about daily.
There are enough Pubs nationwide who tow the anti-vaping line to make it clear that it is not a 100% to 0% issue.
AND YET, there is so much writing on the wall that if executive office goes the way of Dems, vapers are pretty much screwed (for at least 4 years) whereas if it goes the way of Pubs, I see reason to be hopeful. Dems are mostly responsible for FSPTCA which is 80% of what we are up against at the political level. Dems of the national congress variety are constantly using 'the chillun' in their rhetoric as way to score political points.
I really do see it as 85% Dems (of the national variety) hate vaping while around 15% Pubs do. Feel free to convince me otherwise. I'm very open to the idea that anti-vaping isn't partisan, but the evidence thus far shows up very lopsided.
We're on a thread where the discussion is about changing the deeming date. If we look at the stats for support of this monumental change, it is 100% Pubs supporting it, and 0% Dems. And yet, it isn't 100% of all Pubs. If it were, this would be so blatantly obvious that it is partisan issue that I'd feel sorry for the Dems on this site who dare take pot shots and Pubs (i.e. Dick Cheney fans).
Me on my cigalike devices, who vapes all of 2 ml a day, fully supports usage of all devices to be as open / available on the legal market as possible. Never bought liquid nic myself, but fully support that. Vape everywhere I vape with respect, and fully support vaping in many (indoor) public places. Hope flavors, made of all sorts of compounds, are available on the open market indefinitely, with idea that free market, in the information age, will take care of any actual problems that might be occurring in our collective juices. Thus far, I've seen either zero problems on that front, or so small of a number, I'd have to count it in micrograms.
Show me the Dem politician that favors these things and I'll gladly tout them in a few threads. Here in my state, the Pubs specifically sought to exclude indoor vaping from the Clean Air Act, and Duncan Hunter out of CA (of all places) has been one that is being rightfully touted on many threads. I'd very much love to see his Democrat counterpart.
Until I/we do, I expect the partisan stuff to continue.
And as long as the anti-vaping rhetoric shows up, I'm done going easy on the PC stuff.
Besides, I so enjoy attacking the points. And those who speak anti-vaping rhetoric make it so easy, and all the more enjoyable.
Added before I submitted this post: Just did google search on "national democrats that support vaping" and while I didn't go too many pages deep, I literally came up with nothing. I really really really really really hope that changes. Soon.
Congratulations. In being all non-partisany you just lost my support (for not being at all non-partisan). I won't vote for a Republican, they're buffoons at a 100% rate at the national level. So please complain about the lack of consensus if you wish, but realize you've just added to it.
Good day, I won't be back to this thread.
Why would we descend on these people? These, from what I can tell, are the ones on our side / supporting bill to change the grandfather date.
It's odd that all 36 of them happen to be Pubs.
Do you like the Hubble Space Telescope? Guess who was the main pusher for getting the last servicing mission done in spite of all the resistance in Congress to fund it. Yep, her.
Reasons why voting them out of office may not solve anything and hurt other issues we value. Getting them to hear us and the reasoning for our position is what matters. Remind them all they work at OUR convenience.
Doh! I deleted the post. My bad...
I thought we did not want a grandfather date at all. That was going to be my game plan. That bill still has 2007 in there and I thought it better we not have one at all.
Sotrue
An Example of my opinion on sheeple: Yale!
{Some of America's Ivy League students were willing to give away their right to petition, ironically by signing a petition to lose that very right.
Director Ami Horowitz oversaw a hidden camera project on the campus of Yale University to see if students could be tricked into thinking the country should do away with the First Amendment, which provides the freedoms of speech, religion, assembly, press and petition.
Within an hour of launching the project, Horowitz collected more than 50 signatures from students who were willing to dismantle the Constitution.
Students in support of rolling back America's freedoms said the idea was "fantastic" and "excellent."}
Wake the Hell Up!!!!
SCARY !!!!!!!
I like the way you think, but we are trying to overcome what we can, and what's realistic. Like I'd prefer to allow children to vape, but not expecting that bill to be floated out there anytime soon.
Didn't realize the Name picked up a link, my bad....... Nope, she is just one more Senior Citizen beaten into submission through decades of ANTZ Indoctrination. Canned Clip and past Responses - Same ones I have seen posted from Representatives in several States..............Hmmmm, strange huh, not.
I'm 62 and feel more enlightened on matters that are of concern.
Or am I, $$$$$$$$$$$$
What means more to a politician? Reason or money..
I shall deposit them into another vacuum for the time being then.
Though I doubt Hoover ever had my best interest in mind, either.
I guess I should apologize for my attempts to lighten the mood in this rather destructive and/or useless display of ridiculousness.
But I'm not going to.
I didn't get an apology for the incorrect assumptions and judgement on my character.
Not that I want one...
Tapatyped
Sorry, but just like voting out for ignoring constituents may be a bad idea, Keeping them in for a Few positive actions is also often a bad idea. They have to get it right once in a while regardless. Is this less right?
Are millions of Lives less important?
(Who foots the bills?)GOP lawmaker: E-cigs could 'very well save my life'
Greg Nash
By Tim Devaney - 12/21/15 02:23 PM EST
I thought this was interesting , sounds like Pelosi , you know the "brilliant" one who is known for such historical comments such as " we got to pass the bill to see what's in the bill" fame .
Greg Nash
By Tim Devaney - 12/21/15 02:23 PM EST
I thought this was interesting , sounds like Pelosi , you know the "brilliant" one who is known for such historical comments such as " we got to pass the bill to see what's in the bill" fame .
Just a few reasons to Kill the e-cig industry:
U.S. cigarette market was worth a total of $66 billion - 2013
Marketing(tobacco) over $1million / Hour - 2013 - Yep, $26 Million / Day
Profits of 18%, Double that of US averages for other corporations.
Tobacco is Still an Extremely Profitable Business, and This Won't Change Soon -- The Motley Fool
Direct Health Care $170 Billion for Adults - 2012 CDC - That would be a huge cut
This is just scraping the edge. Other concerns:
Tax Losses
Investor losses
Job Losses
Unemployment escalation
increased cost of supplemental Food/Health/Housing
Retail sales losses(due to unemployment)
Eventual overpopulation and Food shortages
Trust me, they think about everything Before our concerns.
I for one Feel I have as Much Right to life as any Non/Never Smoker even if I require Vaping to reach that goal.
I do not deserve to be looked down upon or considered a lesser person for finding my own way.
My Family depends on me, Not the Government, to survive. Strange how that works.
U.S. cigarette market was worth a total of $66 billion - 2013
Marketing(tobacco) over $1million / Hour - 2013 - Yep, $26 Million / Day
Profits of 18%, Double that of US averages for other corporations.
Tobacco is Still an Extremely Profitable Business, and This Won't Change Soon -- The Motley Fool
Direct Health Care $170 Billion for Adults - 2012 CDC - That would be a huge cut
This is just scraping the edge. Other concerns:
Tax Losses
Investor losses
Job Losses
Unemployment escalation
increased cost of supplemental Food/Health/Housing
Retail sales losses(due to unemployment)
Eventual overpopulation and Food shortages
Trust me, they think about everything Before our concerns.
I for one Feel I have as Much Right to life as any Non/Never Smoker even if I require Vaping to reach that goal.
I do not deserve to be looked down upon or considered a lesser person for finding my own way.
My Family depends on me, Not the Government, to survive. Strange how that works.
well, even the forums are being targeted here under the "indirect publicity" law, same as for cigs & liquor ( already no tv commercials etc. on those for several years now) and this will go into effect next year
No publicity whatsoever for ecigs or eliquids except INSIDE vape shops and even there the ads must face INWARDS so as not to be visible from the outside (ie nothing in shop windows at all) and they also must be under a certain regulated size ( very small poster size, under the size of two A4's!!!)
[Lol...How ridiculous can this witch-hunt become ??????]
(and yet France, along with the UK, are among the least repressive EU countries concerning Ecigs, we have ALOT of vapers here and were among the first countries where vaping took hold)
The sites/forums can continue to exist but will not be referenced on Google and so on .
So youd have to know the exact address to be able to go there.
That will be fine for those of us already here today but for NEW vapers or smokers interested in quitting and seeking info on their options it'll be another story
...Without Google how will most people be able to find online shops to buy gear ?
Of course I dont know how many other countries will eventually be affected by similar laws -possibly those who already apply it to cigs and/or alcohol ?
... All this stems from the" we need to protect the children " campaigns and that's a pretty popular concept nowadays worldwide so it could catch on
(-hope not!) ...?
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