Who here is not stocking up in preparation for the May 12th, 2020 Deadline?
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So the name of the thread is "who is not stocked up" I started stocking on 2016 and bought 2 liters of Nic. Bought another last year. I have gone from 24mgs to 3 mgs. I am not doing anymore (save for the random buying of gear when it is a great deal)
If I run out of nic I will vape nicless. I will never, ever go back to smokig. The smell of cigarettes and the mess of the ashtrays make me SICK
If I run out of nic I will vape nicless. I will never, ever go back to smokig. The smell of cigarettes and the mess of the ashtrays make me SICK
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I drive less than most people. It takes me forever to get down to half a tank. I haven’t hit 800 miles on my new truck yet, and it had136 when I got it lol.
I drive way too much for an old lady. I like to be out and about and find myself things to do to keep busy.
you guys forget that if it wants to, the govt can say that possession of 1 liter of nic is proof of intent to sell.
they did that with pot.
they did that with pot.
making laws is one thing, enforcing them is another. There have been laws about children possessing tobacco for a hundred years and how well are they enforced? They might pay a little more attention this time because vaping cuts into their money and we know they don't like that. The police will probably enforce against vaping and not tobacco and the kids will understand that if they smoke they won't be bothered but if they Vape they will be and that is what serves the interest of tax supported organizations like the police.
I was into coral reef tanks for quite a while. Talk about a money pit, makes vaping the equivalent of grabbing a roll of Mentos when you reach the register. One thing corals need is lots of very bright light in the proper spectrum to simulate sunlight at 20-30 ft under water.
I had a friend I made through the hobby who built an 800 gallon tank in his home. Needed a structural engineer to make sure the floor could hold it (about 9 pounds per gallon with all the salt added, plus all the sand rocks/reefs, corals, and the supporting filtering and circulating pumps). Needless to say, he needed a few kW (for real, I think it was about 3,000-3,500 W of lighting) of metal halide lighting to keep the corals growing (plus the pumps and filters and all).
Cops got a tip about these really, really bright lights seen by a busybody glowing through the window. The cops somehow check the house's electrical consumption and see it's way above normal. They return with a warrant to search on the assumption they were grow lights for an indoor weed farm. They left feeling very embarrassed, and probably a little annoyed they had to listen to a 45 minute lecture from my friend on how the whole thing worked
I had a friend I made through the hobby who built an 800 gallon tank in his home. Needed a structural engineer to make sure the floor could hold it (about 9 pounds per gallon with all the salt added, plus all the sand rocks/reefs, corals, and the supporting filtering and circulating pumps). Needless to say, he needed a few kW (for real, I think it was about 3,000-3,500 W of lighting) of metal halide lighting to keep the corals growing (plus the pumps and filters and all).
Cops got a tip about these really, really bright lights seen by a busybody glowing through the window. The cops somehow check the house's electrical consumption and see it's way above normal. They return with a warrant to search on the assumption they were grow lights for an indoor weed farm. They left feeling very embarrassed, and probably a little annoyed they had to listen to a 45 minute lecture from my friend on how the whole thing worked
best post in the thread. No anger and you knew what you were talking about.
So good Im going to read it again.
So your friend did not get busted for owning coral with the intent to sell? Good story
Isn’t making moonshine without a license illegal in the US despite its ingredients can be legally and easily obtained? Spirits are heavily taxed – those making illegal moonshine are not paying said taxes, loss in revenue for Uncle Sam. Tobacco is also heavily taxed, vaping is threatening this industry which in turn also equates to a loss in revenue for Uncle Sam. Not trying to imply that making e-juice will follow the same path as making moonshine, just throwing a different perspective into the conversation.
So your friend did not get busted for owning coral with the intent to sell? Good story
Isn’t making moonshine without a license illegal in the US despite its ingredients can be legally and easily obtained? Spirits are heavily taxed – those making illegal moonshine are not paying said taxes, loss in revenue for Uncle Sam. Tobacco is also heavily taxed, vaping is threatening this industry which in turn also equates to a loss in revenue for Uncle Sam. Not trying to imply that making e-juice will follow the same path as making moonshine, just throwing a different perspective into the conversation.
Moonshine is one of those weird ones. Sure, the ingredients are legal, but it’s the percent alcohol produced that’s regulated. So you can prepare homemade wine and beer as long as you don’t exceed some percentage of alcohol (and also some limit on batch size, but I never heard of any raids on monasteries and monks being busted, maybe it’s x amount per monk).
But stills producing high percentage alcohol whatever you want to call the end product are regulated, and ATF agents actually enforce it, although I’d hate to be the agent tracking the stills down.
I’m still not quite sure why once vaping became tobacco, they didn’t get to be the regulating agency. They are tobacco, and stills sure aren’t as common as back in the prohibition days, so it could have given them extra work to justify their existence. Otherwise with no more alcohol to deal with and the FDA grabbing tobacco, all they’re left with is firearms. And you can’t have a federal agency with only only initial. Who would want to work for the F agency?
Is it common for monks in the US to make bootleg booze? Joking
The purpose of my post was to demonstrate how legal ingredients could be used to make a licensed product. Anyone without such license is running an illegal operation, even if it is just for personal use. Again, not trying to imply that e-juice will follow the same path as moonshine, I have my doubts. But is something similar possible? We have a health agency preaching dangers with vaping, and a government losing tax revenue – licensing and regulations could easily be applied to control, and recoup that loss in revenue.
What other industries uses nicotine in the form of a VG/PG base? If none (and I am just saying cause I really do not know), then a license could easily be implemented. And if that is the case, what does that make our current surplus? The reality is we do not know what is coming. But we have seen some very irrational actions as of late – lets hope any planned regulations are not as severe.
Moonshine is still illegal but beer and wine is not. Not sure about brandy since it is distilled wine? Some interesting reading Home Manufacture of Alcohol State StatutesSo your friend did not get busted for owning coral with the intent to sell? Good story
Isn’t making moonshine without a license illegal in the US despite its ingredients can be legally and easily obtained? Spirits are heavily taxed – those making illegal moonshine are not paying said taxes, loss in revenue for Uncle Sam. Tobacco is also heavily taxed, vaping is threatening this industry which in turn also equates to a loss in revenue for Uncle Sam. Not trying to imply that making e-juice will follow the same path as making moonshine, just throwing a different perspective into the conversation.
Well if our mods & tanks are regulated the same as stills are,
https://www.amazon.com/ECO-WORTHY-D...sr_1_20?keywords=still&qid=1579537625&sr=8-20
I'm all for it!
https://www.amazon.com/ECO-WORTHY-D...sr_1_20?keywords=still&qid=1579537625&sr=8-20
I'm all for it!
Yes, making moonshine is also illegal in Canada. Making beer and wine is not.
But in the context of how this thread has turned in terms of what is currently legal and what is currently not, making moonshine was at one point of time allowed. Reading up on why it is still currently illegal when beer and wine is allowed, it states that liquor is heavily taxed in comparison to beer and wine. The government has much more to lose toward home brewing (or distilling) hard liquor. Going to assume there are safety aspects to that as well but seems the major reason is loss of tax revenue.
Can a correlation be drawn with e-cigs and big tobacco? As mentioned, we have a health agency frowning upon e-cig use and a government losing tax revenue, along with some irrational actions with state bans. History has demonstrated that the government can and has imposed laws and licenses to save their tax revenue. Not saying it is going to happen with e-cigs and or e-juice, but is it a possibility?
Thank you for the link. Now I’m going to get at least one email a week from Amazon about “we saw you were interested in a still, here are some more choices for you. “
I should know better by now. Search for one odd item there and it’s scary what they think you must want to buy.
From the defunct Indiana vaping law - 2015
Sec. 3. (a) Except as otherwise permitted by this article, a person may not purchase, receive, manufacture, import, or transport, or cause to be imported or transported from another state, territory, or country into Indiana, or transport, ship, barter, give away, exchange, furnish, or otherwise handle or dispose of e-liquid, or to possess e-liquid for purpose of sale. (b) A person may not knowingly receive or acquire e-liquid from a person or authorized distributor who does not hold a valid permit under this article to sell, deliver, furnish, or give the e-liquid.
It didn't work out for them that time, but I have a feeling someone somewhere will give it another try.
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