Who here is not stocking up in preparation for the May 12th, 2020 Deadline?

[Uncle]

Yes, my friend, however, is this not the ECF way .. ?? So many threads devolve into Conspiracy Theories, hypothetical innuendo and pure speculation ..

Couldn't agree with "You" more - nor said it any better, especially given that it is what happens in so many different forums for many different reasons too . . . However - IMHO - ECF at least provied a "SAFE-PLACE" for those who wanted to have this type of discourse, The "OUTSIDE" . . . AND - Given the discussions there - I have a tendency not to go "outside" anymore . . . Just sayin' . . .

FYI: For those who might be interested in expounding their personal opinions/rhetoric about "STUFF" : ECF "OUTSIDE"

 

[BigPappa]

Can someone anyone really tell me where this conversation is going? Other then to start a back-an-forth heated discussion about who is right and who is wrong about where the future is going to bring when regulations hit. In reality - For those who are stocking up - for whatever reason - they are all going to continue to stock-up. Well until they are sure they have what they think they NEED. AND - Then those who are stocking up for themselves, family & friends are also going to do the same. The same can be said about those who wish to have "Stuff" to resell - be it in the open market/black market. IMHO - This discussion has been beaten to "DEATH" - No One is going to change anyone else mind - nor what they are planning to do for what they feel are their NEEDS. SO - Can't we all agree that this discussion is not really helping anyone - but to try and scare some people. Maybe even start inciting more people to woefully worry. IMHO - It is only someone crying "WOLF" (maybe even be more divisive). More importantly - IMHO - Enough already, start another thread for this discussion/rhetoric and lets move on . . . Just Sayin' . . .

This thread seems to have been derailed by off topic discussion about regulations and laws. There is the Deeming thread for that... this was supposed to be about people who were choosing not to stock up and their reasons why. Let's see if we can get the thread back on topic.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Can someone anyone really tell me where this conversation is going? Other then to start a back-an-forth heated discussion about who is right and who is wrong about where the future is going to bring when regulations hit. In reality - For those who are stocking up - for whatever reason - they are all going to continue to stock-up. Well until they are sure they have what they think they NEED. AND - Then those who are stocking up for themselves, family & friends are also going to do the same. The same can be said about those who wish to have "Stuff" to resell - be it in the open market/black market. IMHO - This discussion has been beaten to "DEATH" - No One is going to change anyone else mind - nor what they are planning to do for what they feel are their NEEDS. SO - Can't we all agree that this discussion is not really helping anyone - but to try and scare some people. Maybe even start inciting more people to woefully worry. IMHO - It is only someone crying "WOLF" (maybe even be more divisive). More importantly - IMHO - Enough already, start another thread for this discussion/rhetoric and lets move on . . . Just Sayin' . . .

I agree with the sentiment, Uncle. But to be fair, after thinking about it, most of this tiresome exchange is actually on topic: Who's Not Stocking Up, and Why?

If people don't want to stock up because they confuse illegality of selling vs. owning, think giving away possessions that are legal to own is participating in a market of any kind, choose to conflate stocking with black market selling, and believe the government will come knocking on doors to confiscate vape products- well, I guess they've answered.

Me- I've stocked some, but not to the level of many here. Got my nic for about 15 years, might get a little more. Probably have enough mods & atties to hold me about that long. I guess at some point, I'll either die, quit vaping, or pay the price for whatever is on the market when I need it. But since I stocked at all, maybe this thread isn't meant for me anymore anyway. Maybe I'll spend more time on Trump vs. Trump Haters threads, or abortion debates.

 

[bnrkwest]

Everyone needs to decide what they want to do for themselves concerning Deeming. To stock or not to is a personal choice. Someone could decide to go zero nic and still vape and use gum, lozenges or the patch and still have the hand to mouth satisfied by vaping. It's just a personal choice for what works for you. I am not very addicted to nic because my level is so low, so I am definitely one that could do gum or lozenges and vape zero. But it's not for everyone.

 

[Jman8]

Illegal to market, not to possess. To "market" something means to offer it for sale. If you've got it in a store, you're marketing it. If you're advertising it for sale on a website, you're marketing it. If you sell it at all, even only by word of mouth in your living room, you're marketing it. But there is absolutely nothing in federal law or regulation that prohibits private possession if the stuff isn't being offered for sale.

I'd add distribution to what you're conveying. Giving stuff to friends and family would be distribution.

I also don't believe I ever said federal law would go after possession. I stand by the idea that states might, or am willing to bet at least one state does, by 2025. I would definitely hope to lose such a wager, but I truly think the writing is on the wall for it to happen. Again, Trump and House Pubs remain our only hope to reverse the trend. Would be awesome if there was a state in the union that was 'vape friendly.' I doubt such a state exists or will exist within next 3 to 5 years.

 

[Jman8]

Can someone anyone really tell me where this conversation is going? Other then to start a back-an-forth heated discussion about who is right and who is wrong about where the future is going to bring when regulations hit. In reality - For those who are stocking up - for whatever reason - they are all going to continue to stock-up. Well until they are sure they have what they think they NEED. AND - Then those who are stocking up for themselves, family & friends are also going to do the same. The same can be said about those who wish to have "Stuff" to resell - be it in the open market/black market. IMHO - This discussion has been beaten to "DEATH" - No One is going to change anyone else mind - nor what they are planning to do for what they feel are their NEEDS. SO - Can't we all agree that this discussion is not really helping anyone - but to try and scare some people. Maybe even start inciting more people to woefully worry. IMHO - It is only someone crying "WOLF" (maybe even be more divisive). More importantly - IMHO - Enough already, start another thread for this discussion/rhetoric and lets move on . . . Just Sayin' . . .

This discussion stems from OP in which it was asked if you are not stocking up, and why. Existence of a black market is reason not to stock up. It may not be considered great reason, but it answers the question asked in OP.

Further discussion on black market and possession items seems pertinent going forward. We obviously have strong disagreement on that. But given that Final Guidance was released within last 30 days (at most) and given propaganda machine our opponents are up to, I truly do think possession is a discussion to keep having.

Why people are on this thread to keep harping on their stock or desire to stock up for personal use, I'm not sure. But I don't desire to shut it down.

 

[Jman8]

Well I guess we'll know more in May. In the mean time take care of your needs while everything is legal.

Where do you get the notion that everything is currently legal?

 

[Jman8]

And there are actually several states that do ban possession currently by persons under age 18. I'm thinking many vapers consider that a great thing. Me, I think it sucks, and think it is great example of how the black market will be alive and well going forward. Technically minors have been operating in the black market for awhile. And unless you buy into the THC BS scandal, none of those vapers have been harmed by purchasing / possessing / using nicotine vaping products.

If you actually agree with this @Don29palms, please use the Disagree notification. Thanks.

 

[bnrkwest]

Where do you get the notion that everything is currently legal?

There are no bans for buying vape gear nationally until the flavor ban goes into effect. So it's still legal unless a state has other laws in place.

 

[Jman8]

There are no bans for buying vape gear nationally until the flavor ban goes into effect. So it's still legal unless a state has other laws in place.

Again, can you tell me where you are getting this from?

 

[bnrkwest]

Again, can you tell me where you are getting this from?

It is legal 21 and over.

 

[Jman8]

It is legal 21 and over.

I guess you're not going to answer the question I asked the first and second time. Thanks anyway.

 

[Ryedan]

during the last ammo shortage there were
people that looked ahead n stocked up for personal use.

as soon as others ran out, stock pilers were labeled hoarders n were subject to lots of nastiness.

be advised,
if you are being prudent by making a stash for yourself, you will be called names by the stupid.

There are a lot of ignorant people and social media gives them an encouraging public outlet to publish their ignorance on. I don't know why reading your post surprised me, by now I really should know better, but I think I just have a hard time accepting how emotionally fragile a good number of people are. It sucks, but it is what it is and IMO it's not going to change anytime soon.

 

[Brewdawg1181]

Strictly speaking, nothing introduced to the market after Feb. 2007 has been legal for some time, just not being enforced. And from the FDA guidance published 1/2/20, here's their main priority list from page 18. You can download the entire Guidance Document here:Enforcement Priorities for ENDS and Other Deemed Products

 

[classwife]

Sheesh !
Why so antagonistic ??


You can have good conversations without the hostility !

Again...SHEESH !

 

[Rossum]

this was supposed to be about people who were choosing not to stock up and their reasons why.

In that case...

 

[VapingMattCA]

Assume you live in a state where pot is not legal and of course is not legal at fed level but being ignored right now. Back in the day it was not legal for any reason at state or fed levels. How many people do you know/knew that smoked some weed in their homes and had some on hand? Did law enforcement come breaking ther doors down? Not likely. Now if you were dealing it or importing it etc you would have been more likely to be on the radar and stood a good chance of getting caught and punished.

For those of you who think the state/fed is going to bust down your door because you have a vape stash, not likely. Just take a look on how illegal drugs are handled now.

 

[vaper1960]

Rossum, just wanted to say... " I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

 

[DPLongo22]

This discussion has been beaten to "DEATH"

Hey Unc - pass me the Elmers, would ya?

 

[r77r7r]

Illegal? If true, why would the gov go through all the banning and taxation? Did they ban/tax weed yrs ago?
I think that's our way out of this mess. If it's not supposed to be here in the first place, why ban it, lol.
Edit: sorry 4 that .