Blatant Disrespect IMHO

[WellAdjustedAndroid]

Yup. Beautiful NYC, can't smoke at parks, beaches, certain pedestrian only areas. Apparently people don't want cigarettes competing with the stench of homeless person pee. Most private landlords (like mine) have no-smoking policies in leases. Not that I would smoke in my apartment even if I could - analogs do smell gross. I do have almost 700 sq ft and a private garden in Brooklyn at an extremely reasonable price - which is the NYC equivalent of finding a pile of Hessian gold under your floorboards. I doubt anyone would notice or do anything if I vaped in the house. I just don't want to take the risk. I'm used to smoking outside, so its not like smoking inside is worth risking my lease or my job. And I don't have time to deal with a summons because some cop making $36k doesn't want to read my lit on the difference between smoking and vaping.

I think the theory is similar to the big sugary drink ban (which a state court has put on hold.) By making the Big Gulps harder to buy - a person looks like a wierdo for drinking one. Its a giant soda. We stigmatize people that take in 1000 calories of soda in one setting under the theory that prevents them from getting diabetes in the long run (because they'll end up on Medicaid, as most people toward the end of their lives end up on Medicaid at some point.) In that sense, the published reasons for smoking bans may be invented, but the overall public health benefit is probably real. Someday states will stop selling lotto tickets under a similar economic theory.

 

[WellAdjustedAndroid]

Sorry for the double post, but if you haven't read Garrison Keillor's short story The End of the Trail (from We Are Still Married) you really should...it its literally laugh out loud funny. The audio version is even better if you can find it.

http://www.garrisonkeillor.com/wp-c...0140131567_WeAreStillMarried_End-of-Trail.pdf

 

[Racehorse]

If you don't like it, then take a step over and get out of my personal space that you really shouldn't be standing in in the first place.

In other words:

 

[Racehorse]

There doesn't need to be a debate about the meaning of the constitution here. Give a little respect, and you get some back.

I like simple. You wrapped it up and neatly tied it, too.

 

[Spydro]

I started out as a concientious smoker in 1960... something like 20 years before they first started segregating smokers in public places, the work place, airlines, etc (what late 70's/early 80's?), and way before total bans. Just the way I was raised, to have respect for others. That still holds true with my vaping in public. To me it's a two way street - I'll respect you if you respect me. Where I live state laws ban smoking in certain specific places, but leave out all others. So smoking in public places is tolerated to a fairly high degree here, even outside of designated smoking places. In my experince so far anyway vaping has been tolerated just about anywhere I go.

For ease of carry, when I go out in public I usually take my cig-a-like gear. They are black or blue color, way longer than an analog, have blue glow tips and mini tanks on them... so don't look like an analog and don't put out huge clouds of vapor. So far if anybody says anything at all, it's because they want to know if they are what's called e-cigs, want to know more about them as they have family, a friend or themselves that needs to/wants to stop smoking. I have been invited to vape in many places I wouldn't have done so normally without asking first if they are permitted... even by/around non smokers/vapers. That two way street thing again. The biggest surprise was recently when my doctor invited me to vape at my last check up/visit with him. That came about when he got to the question about my smoking and I told him I had stopped months ago and was vaping now. Turned into about 30 minutes of answering his questions/telling him more about vaping. So encounters have always been positive for me... and positive for vaping. I don't get out much now days though, don't go to a lot of places, so maybe that's part of why.

 

[dalr]

In Switzerland, the choice is pretty made up for us: while no specific law is in effect at the State level, many companies (like public transport, trains, malls, ...) consider it akin to analogs. So no vaping in the metro, buses, trains, shopping malls, etc.

As for restaurants, I have yet to try it (started vaping a few days ago), but from what I understand, the irrational fear of the public makes it a de facto no-no.

I always smoked my analogs outside, even at home. The only thing that changed is that I now vape inside my house. My SO started at the same time as I, and after a few days, we can not smell any residual odor. Will continue to vape inside until such time that we feel the air starts to smell of vapors.

 

[chrisaphrenia]

At risk of assassination.... its a privledge , not a constitutional right to vape anywhere and everywhere. Come on people. Think before we act. Would you blow clouds at a Catholic funeral? Simply put, don't paint a giant red target on everyone who vapes just because you like pushing the envelope.

Thank you, that is all.

 

[Russkiy]

I feel the EXACT same way. It's all a matter of respect. Personally, i find it kind of trashy when I see people smoking in a resturaunt or something. And to make matters worse, they're smoking a 7/11 brand e-cig. *Shivers*

I'm glad I'm not the only one!

 

[Vap3Stone]

Yeah so I have a 11 month daughter that sleeps in my room with me and my girlfriend. So I am not "allowed" to vape in my room. You don't know how much it sucks to not be able to relax and vape in your own room, but I do see where she's coming from while ther isn't any proven second hand smoke or second hand vapor, why take the chance? It'd be different if I was vaping 0mg.

So I do most of my vaping in my car. When Im at school (junior college) I always vape outside out of respect towards the school. (I have sneaked a couple puffs in the bathroom though, lol) so I generally avoid it in the public except when I am outside. Even though I feel that we should be able to vape inside stores and what not, I don't to avoid any conflict. I feel it's one of those cases were we need to be the bigger person and "choose our battles"

 

[SoCalAlchemy]

Here in the Peoples Socialist Republic of Kalifornia, one cannot smoke on many beaches and within 20ft of a door of many buildings. I vape on beaches and can tell you that I have had an ignorant person actually scream at me insisting what I am doing is illegal. This hysterical man threatened to take and break my e-cig. I remained calm and engaged an LEO that was nearby to educate him that I was not breaking the law.

The point is that many areas are declared "No Smoking". I use common sense and do not vape in enclosed very populated spaces. I do however smoke in many non-smoking areas using this rule if there is no specific prohibition regarding e-cigs.

 

[SoCalAlchemy]

I found if I hold my vape in for a bit, when I exhale there is no visible vapor to excite the sheeple.

 

[RosaJ]

...while ther isn't any proven second hand smoke or second hand vapor, why take the chance? It'd be different if I was vaping 0mg.

CASAA website, Burstyn/Drexel study.

 

[DC2]

CASAA website, Burstyn/Drexel study.

And here is the link...
CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

 

[DC2]

Here in the Peoples Socialist Republic of Kalifornia, one cannot smoke on many beaches and within 20ft of a door of many buildings. I vape on beaches and can tell you that I have had an ignorant person actually scream at me insisting what I am doing is illegal. This hysterical man threatened to take and break my e-cig. I remained calm and engaged an LEO that was nearby to educate him that I was not breaking the law.

Some people don't seem to understand that this is what we are up against.
A few extremist nut-jobs influencing policy and legislation.

Squeaky wheels if you will.

The point is that many areas are declared "No Smoking".

And the list of places where you can't smoke is growing by the day, and becoming more and more absurd.

And if you can't vape where you can't smoke...
Well, I invite those that are willing to comply to go ahead and finish that sentence.

 

[Vap3Stone]

I found if I hold my vape in for a bit, when I exhale there is no visible vapor to excite the sheeple.

the "Ghost hit" lol

 

[kristin]

Isn't there about 20 threads going on this topic already? Why do people keep starting new ones?

Anyhow, if even vapers act like vaping where smoking is banned is offensive, no one else will ever consider it inoffensive.

A woman showing her ankles in public was once considered offensive. Does anyone think we wouldn't still be wearing long skirts if women hadn't stepped up and said,"Look, there is nothing wrong with what I'm doing. Get over it!" Obviously, based on some of the skimpy outfits women wear in publc today, people DID get over it. But it probably took a few years for people to get used to seeing it and it will be the same for vaping.

Have some common sense, obviously. You wouldn't wear a bikini to church, in a movie theater or at your kid's school or you'd end up making a scene. Probably similar decorum applies to where you should blow out billows of vapor.

And ALWAYS respect the wishes of a property owner/resident. Their "house," their rules. Period.

 

[kristin]

I think the theory is similar to the big sugary drink ban (which a state court has put on hold.) By making the Big Gulps harder to buy - a person looks like a wierdo for drinking one. Its a giant soda. We stigmatize people....

It's called "denormalization" and it is EXACTLY what the ANTZ want for vaping. They don't want people to get used to seeing it. That would lead to acceptance of recreational nicotine use and that goes against everything the ANTZ live for. They want us skulking and hiding, so when people do vape in front of someone even where it's allowed, they'll see the vaper as "weird," "scary" "fringe" and "wrong." It's exactly what they did with smoking. Now many smokers even feel shame and embarrassment for what they do - even closet smokers. The ANTZ irrationally fear that vaping in public will once again normalize "smoking behavior" and they'll have none of that!

If we don't do anything to get the public accustomed to seeing vaping then we are helping the ANTZ agenda. And I assure you folks that that agenda does not include acceptance of vaping ANYWHERE. Us being polite will not sway them from their ultimate goal of making us all quit.

If vaping in public triggers ban attempts, so be it. We will fight them with facts, science and truth. This time, we have all of that in our favor. I'm confident that bans already passed will be repealed eventually, because some day they will no longer be able to deny the truth is on our side.

 

[PNW Rider]

all public and political agendas aside, this is common sense stuff. i vape anywhere i please but i will not disturb the environment when i do so inside an establishment. even as a vaper, how how you like some stranger dripping 80VG and blowing clouds at the table behind yours in your favorite restraunt? it wouldnt bother me terribly, but it is inappropriate and gets negative attention. my goals for vaping when out and about is to get in a couple vapes and leave the smallest footprint possible where i do so. so you go to target, are you going to vape while waiting in line at the cash register? i hope not you ignorant expletive. are you going to vape while standing in an isle by yourself? ABSOLUTELY! i have been "caught" vaping here and there by random people in walmart and they didnt even bat an eye. what i will not do is change my vg to anything but 80% because its gross and i dont care THAT much if somebody sees my steams. use your noggin folks we may last a little long before all the establishments in the states adopts anti-e-cig policy and you WILL lose you current RIGHTS to do so.

 

[Baldr]

When someones argument is "do it my way or you are an ignorant expletive", I don't see any reason to care much about their opinion.

 

[fetalbounce]

To be honest I think smoking analogs should be legal in malls, department stores, grocery stores, etc. I think people have become a bunch of crybabies.

So a topic that a lot of people have issues with is vaping in public.

Even though vaping is totally less dangerous that smoking analogs, why do people choose to push buttons and vape in public places like stores and malls, where SMOKING is prohibited? If there is an ecig policy in the public store that is one thing but I highly doubt that some of the vapers I am talking about actually know if the store or public place has such a policy. If they dont, it isnt an excuse to just do it anyways.

My personal opinion is if you cant smoke somewhere, you shouldnt vape there either. Its more of a respect issue, and while vaping is still in the baby stages, it becomes more obvious every day that people view them almost the same as analogs and treat them as such. Hell, politicians trying to ban them are using fear saying they are more dangerous than analogs.

I feel like certain vapers need to respect the boundaries until it is more mainstream and understood just like analogs are, and by walking around walmart vaping, they give the rest of us a bad rap. It makes vapers look like a bunch of punks that do whatever they want.

What are your opinions on this one?

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