Really going to be lame if the battery dies, and you have to ship it off or bust out a soldering iron. Other then that a solid design.
DARWIN!! From EVOLVAPOR.COM My Overview and First Impressions Newest PRE-Production Prototype
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While I see how some people may be concerned about this, as others have posted and we are all accustomed to swapping batts, this was the same argument posted when iphone launched. We all know how that turned out - still one of the hottest phones made and with multi-millions units sales anticipations at VZW (4 models later - ALL requiring Apple to change the batts).
This is the ONLY vaping batt that comes with a full 1 yr warranty so worst case scenario is we have to do without the device for a few days for (FREE) batt replacement. But, I am guessing this will be no more of an issue than it turned out to be for iphone users (basically a non-issue). And, as with any other device (if any part should be defective) it would have to be sent to manufacturer for warranty coverage. When the batt comes built-in with a one yr warranty - I just see it as another "part" in the device which could possibly be defective, rarely is and hopefully won't be.
Personally, I will not try to change my own batts as I suspect doing so (opening device) may void the warranty for both device and batts. But, if you don't care about the warranty and are electronics competent - it has been posted that the batts are not proprietary and it is doable. For me, I think the minor inconvenience of sending it in for replacement (IF that should happen) is well worth the performance I am getting on the prototype. I am very excited to get my production unit. If I ever have to send it in for warranty service on ANY part, I will find it well worthwhile as I know I will get back my Darwin fully functional and fully warrantied.
I will post a review for sure. I'm currently using a v.v saber from sir Lawrence and I love it to death but due to the size I cant stealth vape at work! I have to resort to my ego for that I'm hoping Darwin is easier to stealth than my trusty saber.
Don't know the dimensions of the Saber, but Darwin is not in the stealth vaping category.
I happen to have my saber and a ruler in my hand atm. It seems to be approx. 25 mm diameter x 125 mm length.
Issue is not paying for the battery, its the fact that a PV you really enjoy dies on you and you can do nothing about it. It is why we all stock extra batterys and cartomizers and atomizers and sometimes switches for our favorite units. No one wants to be stuck suckin on an old ego after they have had the joys of a regulated VV. Why they would design it with batteries like this is a major flaw.
I don't consider it a flaw, just the same as I am glad my cell phone doesn't use cylindrical Lithium Ion rechargeable batteries. The LiPo batteries in the Darwin are built to last a LOT longer, and they have a lot more power and longevity than the batteries we're used to in mods.
Considering that the batts are probably going to last a good three years, I don't think it's a big deal to have to send it back to Evolv to get replaced, and have to use another one of my mods for a week.
There is an old saying that goes something like:
'you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. But, you can never please all of the people all of the time.'
Every aspect of vaping is wonderfully subjective. The juices one person likes, another does not. The atomizers one person likes, another does not. Some like Fords, others GM vehicles, Dodge and others shell out for BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, etc. some like Macs and others PCs. There will be plenty of people who will always prefer the non-"smart" devices too.
The French have a beautiful saying: "a chacun ses gouts"
These batts provide different performance and a different form-factor device. If Darwin used the typical prism (tube shaped) batts - the device would be another tube or box variant. Instead, it is as thin as an iPhone.
The "removable" argument was made all over the place about iPhone and turned out to not be an issue at all. iPhone is one of the biggest selling cell phones of all time and continues to be - even with the non-user-replaceable battery. I suspect this will be no different. But, on the off chance that one or two end up with bad batts, I am certainly willing to live without my device for a few days if that is what it takes to have this performance the rest of the time. And, it is by far the most pocket-friendly "big-batt" (1800 mAh) device in my collection!
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i thought the price was high initially... but when you think about it;
a rechargeable batt that lasts a long time - included.
Priority shipping - included.
all the electronic goodies in a state of the are 3rd generation PV - included.
not bad... in fact if you don't get your hands on a "smart PV" now, you will be sitting around typing, and missing out.
that's my opinion; mine's already shipped.
a rechargeable batt that lasts a long time - included.
Priority shipping - included.
all the electronic goodies in a state of the are 3rd generation PV - included.
not bad... in fact if you don't get your hands on a "smart PV" now, you will be sitting around typing, and missing out.
that's my opinion; mine's already shipped.
not quite; i win because i already have a Provari and love it....
I've noticed that several posters have stated that their Darwin has been shipped, but when I go their website it says that it is still under construction and the Darwin will be available soon. Is there an alternate source for these PVs?
I suppose it comes down to personal preference, but if given the choice between the LiPo cells the Darwin is using and a functionally identical model that used prismatic LiIon cells, I'd still want the LiPos. There's a reason that laptops are moving away from prismatic cells and toward flat LiPos. LiPo cells have better energy-to-weight/volume ratios, as well as higher discharge capabilities. If you only need to change the batteries once a year (at most), then does it really matter how difficult it is? It'll take 10 minutes to do the swap if you're slow. And in exchange for those 10 minutes, you get to spend the rest of the year using a better PV.
I've pretty much decided to get a darwin as soon as a less caustic retailer has some in stock. $220 is a lot of money, but it's technically the best PV you can buy right now for any price.
I've pretty much decided to get a darwin as soon as a less caustic retailer has some in stock. $220 is a lot of money, but it's technically the best PV you can buy right now for any price.
there's one more unique benefit of the 3rd gen. PV; the Darwin;
thanks candre.
when you invest big time and money to produce a new upscale pv, it better be good or it will be shot down fast on forum.
thanks candre.
when you invest big time and money to produce a new upscale pv, it better be good or it will be shot down fast on forum.
Eh, you mean FOURTH gen....
1st gen: original e-cigs such as the 510, rn4081, 901, 801, etc. Pen or analog looking devices.
2nd gen: big battery mods used to overcome the biggest shortcoming of the prior generation, suck-
batteries. Screwdriver, Chuck, GGTS, and a whole bunch of others.3rd gen: self juicing mods, vapes that can juice a carto or atty from their own enclosed liquid supply...Carlos Juice Box, Ali, Phidimus, Reo, etc.
IMHO, a mod that uses anything other than the battery itself to regulate or alter the flow of current is a 4th generation device.
If you ask, how do we distinguish between 4th gen mods that juice themselves from the ones that don't, that's a good question. 4+? 4J? 4+3?
I like these categories but I might consider one minor change. I think I might consider non-PCB variable voltage devices as 4th generation and PCB devices as 5th generation.Eh, you mean FOURTH gen....
1st gen: original e-cigs such as the 510, rn4081, 901, 801, etc. Pen or analog looking devices.
2nd gen: big battery mods used to overcome the biggest shortcoming of the prior generation, suck-
3rd gen: self juicing mods, vapes that can juice a carto or atty from their own enclosed liquid supply...Carlos Juice Box, Ali, Phidimus, Reo, etc.
IMHO, a mod that uses anything other than the battery itself to regulate or alter the flow of current is a 4th generation device.
If you ask, how do we distinguish between 4th gen mods that juice themselves from the ones that don't, that's a good question. 4+? 4J? 4+3?
EDIT: then again, under that thinking, PCB with automatic functions might be 6th generation - so I categorize Darwin as 6th gen!
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