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True. However by leaving the option in place, those that truly wish to use it can do so. There have been times when it really was sorely needed for dangerous information being disseminated in the forums.
How is the X useful if you have to post anyway? How are you going to address showing mandatory reply to X? Will it be sent as a PM?
As we've found out, not requiring an accompanying post can result in the feature being abused. Like 30+ in under 10 minutes abused.
You just X'd me (which is cool) but you then explained why, which I think is the decent thing to do.
I guess it may just be a difference in culture, but I believe that if you are going to publicly disapprove of a post, then the poster "deserves" to know why. If you are bold enough to use the X, then be bold enough to explain.
I disagreed simply because I feel that would be extreme... and sometimes it's just a minor difference of opinion that, if explained further, would result in more arguing instead of a mature discussion. In other cases, it's so simple to understand why someone may disagree/dislike something... example... "Chocolate is the best ice cream" ( or whatever )... certainly if someone felt another flavor was better or just didn't like it a quick click on disagree/dislike wouldn't really need an explanation.
Life's too short to worry about such minor issues... if they want to explain the reason it's fine but if not just move on. Taking steps when someone is abusing the system is one thing, but requiring explanations for their selection is not right either.
Very valid, as sometimes it is that simple.
BTW Ben & Jerrie's Cherry Garcia for me please.
I think there is a difference between disagreeing with a post, and simply differing with the information contained therein.
What is the best mod to start vaping with? type of question, and you will get many differing opinions - but that isnt a disagreement perse, rather than a different perspective of best starting place for a new vaper.. UNLESS, someone says, oh go out and get you a noisy cricket.. THEN it becomes dangerous, and it goes beyond simple differing opinions.. THAT is when, and where we actually "disagree".
People oftentimes see a different perspective as "disagreement" when its not, its just a different perspective and there is never harm on having one. But on a forum where what we are learning can have serious consequences, I think an actual disagreement takes on a different meaning than simply, I differ slightly from your opinion. And honestly, it really should. Newcomers should pay more attention to the red x, and not just grow accustomed to it as a meaningless thing.
If a responsible person uses the red X, to me it would be imperative to go on with a reply and a statement of why that was used. The benefit of having this rating, is a reader who may be just skimming, will be able to see the rating at a glance.
If dangerous or outright wrong info was included in that post, not all readers may go on further and read the rebuttal, and there are all levels of reading comprehension skills that visit the forum. So to my mind it is a useful tool to warn prospective readers about the information presented in that post.
If the poster wants to know why you disagree let them ask.
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I have used that red x once followed by a quote of the post I disagreed with and my response...
I have to politely disagree...
there are times, circumstances and individuals that might elicit a disagree from me in which "discretion is the better part of valor". It is often better to walk away than to engage, when you know that everything forthcoming will be a snarky comment rather than a civil discussion...
A long time ago, as a noob to ECF, and forums...I wandered into a thread and posted an opinion.. I soon learned about being flamed....for several days in a row... and was afraid to post anywhere for a period of time after that. I would much rather they had simply disagreed and went on about their conversation, than to subject me to all of the ugly posts that were directed towards me...
I have to politely disagree...
there are times, circumstances and individuals that might elicit a disagree from me in which "discretion is the better part of valor". It is often better to walk away than to engage, when you know that everything forthcoming will be a snarky comment rather than a civil discussion...A long time ago, as a noob to ECF, and forums...I wandered into a thread and posted an opinion..
I soon learned about being flamed....for several days in a row... and was afraid to post anywhere for a period of time after that. I would much rather they had simply disagreed and went on about their conversation, than to subject me to all of the ugly posts that were directed towards me...
I have used that red x once followed by a quote of the post I disagreed with and my response...
I have to politely disagree...
A long time ago, as a noob to ECF, and forums...I wandered into a thread and posted an opinion..
Check my post three posts above this one here I quoted of yours.. Its an answer to this post here of yours as well, as to why I think the way I do.
Oh I definitely understand it can very well be useful. However, on a forum like this will it be used responsibly?
How many people new to this forum know who is just in a vindictive mood and who is the responsible member?
How many people new to vaping will know, after seeing 10 red x's on a pico mod suggestion, that it is not a 'dangerous' mod?
How many people are going to know, after seeing red x's on all sorts of things around the forum, that those 3 red x's in the post on mechanical mods means that post is providing outright dangerous information?
I believe it can be very helpful, very useful so on and so forth, but I see also many potential problems too.
The mods will know. Poor them, I don't envy their job. It'll either work itself out or perhaps go away if it proves too troublesome, I'd imagine.
I totally agree with you on that!
when I visit forums, I try to leave my emotions at the door, as too often I have mis interpreted a posters intended meaning and later realized that I was the one who missed the point. Not always successful at it, but I do try to keep it in mind when posting.
It's a bit of a double edged sword...
If there are 15 likes on a device that is dangerous and no disagrees showing...? Equally dangerous to the new member trying to learn...Hmm... I will note that as a new member I did find the information presented to be a bit dizzying at first, and while I could see a "disagree" post as being helpful if someone is presenting dangerous information, but it would be tough to really a) enforce that (I would not care to be a mod right now) and b) if something is genuinely dangerous THEN that danger should be explained in a post anyway, so a bunch of disagrees stacking up may not be the best way to explain that anyway....
Right now if I disagree with someone, I leave that post blank as far as liking it, and then state my opposing point. I think there MAY be some utility to the idea of using the "disagree" with a mandatory reason-- i.e. someone shows up with a mech mod and says they are buying batteries off ebay or something, then a bunch of disagrees and reasons behind them might be more effective than a bunch of similar posts which the person may not read through all of them. That's the only REAL reason I see it being useful, honestly.
But-- implementing and enforcing that? IDK how THAT works. I do think requiring a mandatory "reason" is not a bad rule at all, and would definitely potentially give pause to persons who are disagreeing for perhaps not so important reasons and at least the person presents their rationale for disagreement.
Anna
Right now if I disagree with someone, I leave that post blank as far as liking it, and then state my opposing point. I think there MAY be some utility to the idea of using the "disagree" with a mandatory reason-- i.e. someone shows up with a mech mod and says they are buying batteries off ebay or something, then a bunch of disagrees and reasons behind them might be more effective than a bunch of similar posts which the person may not read through all of them. That's the only REAL reason I see it being useful, honestly.
But-- implementing and enforcing that? IDK how THAT works. I do think requiring a mandatory "reason" is not a bad rule at all, and would definitely potentially give pause to persons who are disagreeing for perhaps not so important reasons and at least the person presents their rationale for disagreement.
Anna
It's a bit of a double edged sword...
And your correct. My point from the git go is just this; I see it wrought with problems however, If in fact we are going to have it for these reasons, then it cannot (or should not) be stressed enough how important it is as a tool for education of those who might not know anything about the information being provided, and as such, should carry more with it than just a hit and run disagree.
There are many very sweet persons on this forum such as yourself, who are more tenderhearted or shy, but at the same time, if this is going to be used as a tool to educate, then we must follow up with actual education, and not just a red x, UNLESS, a knowledgeable person is already doing the educating part. (In which case we could just add our +1's with the disagree and +2's in agreements with the knowledgeable poster)
Do I make sense?
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