People are really addicted to dihydrogen monoxide. This chemical is found in rivers, and over time can cause some metals to corrode...I'm drinking some right now...I can't kick it...
Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!
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Had a friend with a nasty H addiction. He kicked it, thankfully. Then he quit cigarettes. He said kicking cigs was 1000x harder. When I asked him why he responded "You don't see people shooting up while walking down the street and it's not sold in just about every damn corner store you walk into."
Go step outside that NA meeting... those folks are hotboxing camel filterless like their lives depended on it.
If anyone really in interested, this is an interesting read Is Nicotine Addictive ?
Particularly vitamin B3, niacin.
Which was re-named to niacin from it's more accurate original name, nicotinic acid.
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Why do threads like these always grab so much traction?
I have a good buddy that smoked for 30+ years. He has been off for 25 years---still chewing nic gum...LOL
I have a good buddy that smoked for 30+ years. He has been off for 25 years---still chewing nic gum...LOL
Because they are interesting......at least to me. I'm still new here though.
Vitamin B3/niacin/nicotine. Virtually the same thing. Didn't know it until recently, blew me away. Funny what they don't tell you.
Oops, you clarified it when I posted.
Oops, you clarified it when I posted.
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When I don't get my nicotine, I get grumpy, sweats, and can't think straight. I tried smoking cold turkey. After the 3rd day I was in a corner like a fetus sweating trying to get over the hold nicotine placed on me. I smoked that day and life was good again.
Now that I'm vaping, I've been months without a tobacco product. People that tell me nicotine isn't addictive...I want to kick them. I KNOW what it's like to have withdrawal and it's freaking scary. This is why I have so much vape gear. I refuse to go back to smoking and I'll never go through that hell experience again.
Now that I'm vaping, I've been months without a tobacco product. People that tell me nicotine isn't addictive...I want to kick them. I KNOW what it's like to have withdrawal and it's freaking scary. This is why I have so much vape gear. I refuse to go back to smoking and I'll never go through that hell experience again.
I've stopped smoking overnight after +-20 years, no withdrawal symptoms. I tried vaping 0 nic.... No succes I still need at least 3mg.
If nic is not addictive, what's the explanation behind this?
Just saying...
If nic is not addictive, what's the explanation behind this?
Just saying...
Vitamin B3/niacin/nicotine. Virtually the same thing. Didn't know it until recently, blew me away. Funny what they don't tell you.
Oops, you clarified it when I posted.
Because that would make the general population gasp and be outraged that they are actually consuming <oh horrors!!> nicotine in their vitamin replacement therapy.
We"re not all made the same? And why did you need the nicotine?
Without nic, I don't get a satisfying vape at all. Even with dual coils cloud machines.
I get a bit grumpy (of course nothing like when I was a smoker)
Ummm, that's not really how you're supposed to do it, IMHO.
Anyway, it IS clear that most ex-smokers have an addiction to nicotine. But that is REALLY a separate question from whether nicotine, on its own, is addictive.
As a different example, consider ex-alcoholics. Most people claim there is no such thing, which is why people at AA meetings introduce themselves as "Hi, I'm Dr. Seuss and I'm an alcoholic" even though Dr. Seuss might not have had a drink in 20 years. While the majority of the population can have a drink or two, occasionally or frequently, those who have consumed alcohol enough to cause serious problems know they cannot have even one. Their brain chemistry has been changed in a manner that makes alcohol highly addictive - one drink and they're right off the wagon.
It is not the alcohol, per se. It is the change in brain chemistry (in this case, due to long-term consumption of large amounts) that transforms a normally non-addictive substance into a highly addictive one.
How many people do you know who managed to quit cigarettes for a relatively long period of time (a year, a decade) and who, in a moment of weakness smoked one and were immediately back to a pack a day? (Count me in that total).
There are a lot of people who manage to smoke "socially". They might smoke a couple of cigarettes a week, or only when they go out to the bar, etc. But how many people who USED to smoke a pack a day have become casual smokers? (NOT counting those who vape most of the time but fill in with an occasional cigarette!) I've never heard of one, have you?
There is a real difference between "Is nicotine addictive" and "Can people become addicted to nicotine".
ETA: Not picking on Theodore Seuss Geisel particularly, just needed a name that was obviously not a real one.
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And used to fill the entire room with a cloud of smoke, before all the smoke nazis started getting their way even with 12 step groups -- and a huge majority of those 12 steppers are sitting there guzzling real coffee like their lives depend on it -- when I got free of real coffee, I found that even one cup in a meeting was enough to mess up my stomach for hours, so had to take my own beverage with me to meetings.
I haven't been to a meeting in years, and I'm wondering what their consensus is, on vaping.
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Thanks for answering, I really wanted to know. I've known people like yourself, who could quit cold turkey and have no problem doing it. Not me, even at 2 mg, my attitude and critical thinking just go without that nic. Getting away from it, slowly....
That's completely true about alcohol. I know if I had even one drink, that tingly, sparkly feeling all thru my limbs, that ease and warmth and relaxation would seduce me all over again, my alcoholic brain would say, hey, that's not so bad, and I'd have another... and off to the races I'd go, all over again. Frankly the main reason I've stayed sober for 22 yrs is because I don't know if I could ever get sober again, it was so hard the first time. I'd rather not have to find out!
After 3 1/2 months of not smoking, when I briefly returned to it this summer, it really didn't taste as "gross" as so many around here have said; it was harsh and hot and burned my lips, but the taste, eh, "taste of home." The "gross" part was that stench on my fingers afterward, but within 3 days, what was supposed to be "light smoking," turned into pack a day without my even noticing -- I had to start doing the tally marks again for each one I smoked, so I wouldn't get anymore nasty surprises like that, and it helped me keep it under 15 a day, and it helped me bring it back down so I could quit it again, after a month of smoking. Now I know -- cigarettes are like alcohol for me, I cannot have "just one," without waking up monster-addict in my brain who wants a LOT more after that. I really prefer that monster sound asleep, locked in its cage.
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