Now they are talking about banning refillable systems.

[440BB]

I just read all about Alcohol prohibition, I wanted to see what other social factors were going on at the time. It appears it all started with the ending of slavery and the ending of polygamy (I mean legally anyway) and etc.

The thread I am seeing is social unrest and resistance to change. I would say the shoe fits. I'm not going to get into all about why.

But, I do feel a sense of civil unrest in this country and kind of... Unusual factions developing in various areas.

IDK. It was an interesting read anyway.

Anna

This was a very informative read for me - Wayne B. Wheeler: The Man Who Turned Off the Taps | History | Smithsonian

The tactics are in use today in many arenas.

 

[Astron]

Hardware will be around until 5/20. Hardware who's manufacturers file a PMTA for get an extra 12 months unless their PMTA is rejected before then. You will be able to continue to buy hardware for another 8 months. The flavor ban is killing the juice manufacturers now. Your state may take action before 5.20, as NY and MI have done. That can be overcome with some short term stocking up of commercial juice if you really like a particular brand, or getting on the DIY train. You'll have to board sooner or later, and truth is, once you have recipes you like you'll be amazed how much you save over the commercial stuff you've been buying.

After 5/20, hardware will still be made. The US is not the only market, and while it's pretty damn large, some Chinese and European builders will remain in business. The question will be ordering from overseas for personal use Given customs still can't stop fentanyl coming in through the mail from China, I don't see vape hardware to an individual as high on their list.



Please, don't go back to smoking. It's only letting them achieve what they want, cigarette sales to hang around that much longer. Have good thoughts about buying nic and any hardware that looks cool and you can fit in your budget. It is a public health disaster they don't even see, or care about if they've been bought off, but always protect yourself first. Then you can be active to try and help others not fortunate enough to be able to transition before all this happens.

Thank you for such a detailed reply - I have been stocked and pretty much ready for the ban since 2016. That means on all fronts. But the OP threw me off guard because I inferred that the Romney/Durbin bill included an immediate pull of open system tanks from the market and UGH.

 

[WorksForMe]

But the OP threw me off guard because I inferred that the Romney/Durbin bill included an immediate pull of open system tanks from the market and UGH.

That came from a POLITICO article.

"The bill also aims to derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges with home-brewed tobacco mixes."

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[Astron]

That came from a POLITICO article.

"The bill also aims to derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges with home-brewed tobacco mixes."

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Thank you.

I find this passage from the article to be confusing: “The bill also aims to derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges with home-brewed tobacco mixes.” I generally have decent reading comprehension but what on earth does this mean?

“Derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges” - are the cartridges “tanks”? Even in non-vaper parlance I have only read “cartridge” to mean “pods”

“With home brewed tobacco mixes” - ??? Do they mean like, “bathtub gin” homemade eliquid?

 

[WorksForMe]

Thank you.

I find this passage from the article to be confusing: “The bill also aims to derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges with home-brewed tobacco mixes.” I generally have decent reading comprehension but what on earth does this mean?

“Derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges” - are the cartridges “tanks”? Even in non-vaper parlance I have only read “cartridge” to mean “pods”

“With home brewed tobacco mixes” - ??? Do they mean like, “bathtub gin” homemade eliquid?

I would assume it means refilling tanks or pods with DIY e-liquid, but I don't really know.

If anybody finds out the Senate bill number of Romney's bill, please post it.

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[BigPappa]

That came from a POLITICO article.

"The bill also aims to derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges with home-brewed tobacco mixes."

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Thanks, beat me to it.

I would assume it means refilling tanks or pods with DIY e-liquid, but I don't really know.

If anybody finds out the Senate bill number of Romney's bill, please post it.

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I tried to find the actual bill, but had no luck... just articles about it.

 

[BigPappa]

What we are going to end up with is complete garbage like this:
MOJO

No pods, just an overpriced disposable hunk of junk... And the $6.99 price you see there is before they add the new tobacco taxes, which would make it more expensive to vape than to smoke cigarettes.

Right now, not including the cost of the tank or battery: it costs me about 25 cents a week in liquid and about 60 cents a month for coils.... so like 40 cents a week total. I'd be doing 3 of those mojo's per day, so $146.79/week before tobacco taxes are added. From what I have seen, the tobacco tax could be something like 40 to 90% of the wholesale price. taxfoundation.org/state-vapor-taxes-2019/

 

[Eskie]

Thank you.

I find this passage from the article to be confusing: “The bill also aims to derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges with home-brewed tobacco mixes.” I generally have decent reading comprehension but what on earth does this mean?

“Derail the practice of refilling vape cartridges” - are the cartridges “tanks”? Even in non-vaper parlance I have only read “cartridge” to mean “pods”

“With home brewed tobacco mixes” - ??? Do they mean like, “bathtub gin” homemade eliquid?

The reason it sounds so confusing isn't due to your reading comprehension skills, it's due to the people writing legislation having no clue about what they're legislating.

 

[Georgia Boy]

Good Sunday Morning Everyone
It's a great day in Georgia, vapers had a win here Friday see the link

Commissioners hit pause button on vape ordinance - Dawson

 

[RedForeman]

Good Sunday Morning Everyone
It's a great day in Georgia, vapers had a win here Friday see the link

Commissioners hit pause button on vape ordinance - Dawson

I'm glad you posted this. It serves as a reminder to me to seek out and review city and county commission agendas for actions such as this. I've been guilty as anyone about not following local government outside of the 6 o'clock news. While the federal and state officials are in hysterics, waving their arms around on tv news, local governments can and will quietly pass ordinances like this right under our noses.

Honestly, I should know better than anyone these are the ones to watch. I live in Johns Creek GA, and our city council is notoriously bad about taking this sort of action and getting worse every year. In other words back door ordinances that, while they may not explicitly prohibit some business or activity, the action taken will manage to choke it out anyway. I should expect that sort of thing here and be more diligent.

The fact that it even got discussed by the Dawson County GA county commission should be a warning to everyone. Dawson is 50 miles north of Atlanta in the Blue Ridge foothills. An area typically more associated with bootleg liquor and 4x4 pickup trucks, not hand wringing over vape shops.

 

[CMD-Ky]

The fact that it even got discussed by the Dawson County GA county commission should be a warning to everyone. Dawson is 50 miles north of Atlanta in the Blue Ridge foothills. An area typically more associated with bootleg liquor and 4x4 pickup trucks, not hand wringing over vape shops.

Sad but true, the control freaks are an invasive sub-species of humanity.

 

[zoiDman]

At first I was not too concerned about a flavor ban because my wife and I use no flavoring and I mix my own... But now Romney and some dude named Jeff have a bill on the floor that includes banning refillable cartridges. That scared the holy bejesus out of me. It sounds like they want all e-cigs to be like the "Mojo" (a disposable closed system).

The frustrating part about this current situation is that all of this seems to have started from some black market THC cartridges, which has absolutely nothing to do with vaping. PG is used in children's asthma medication and nicotine is really not much more dangerous than caffeine, but everyone out there thinks that e-cigarettes are killing people.

I think our first mistake was calling them "e-cigarettes" instead of something like "nicotine delivery device"... The name "e-cigarettes" just causes those that are clueless group them in the same category as cigarettes. Big Tobacco and Big Pharma are probably loving this right now. Smoking kills 450-500k people per year, as far as I know vaping has killed 0, but sure, go ahead and put severe restrictions on vaping. I know it saved my life, 12 years ago I could not manage walking up a flight of stairs, every time I laughed it ended in a coughing fit. Then e-cigs came along and all of that changed.

I wish there was some way to educate the public, especially our government officials.

Whenever an Elected Official opens their mouth, it is a Good Idea to Ask yourself...

"Are they Saying this because it is Something that Needs to happen? Or are they Saying this as a Way to Self-Promote themselves?"

Romney can beat the Ban Refillable Drum. But when you consider the Time needed to pass a piece of Legislation + the Time for the Legal Review + the Time need for Implementation, isn't that Likely to be Longer than 231 Day?

Because in about 231 Days, the e-Cigarette Market is going to Change.

So is our friend Mitt really doing anything Meaningful. Or is this just Jumping on the e-Cigarette Hype Train for Personal Promotion?

BTW - Here is something I posted in another thread today regarding Banning Pods.

And this is Why I have such a Problem with Many/Most of the Elected Officials/Policy Makers in the this country.

Because they tend to Only present a Portion of the Factors that go into a Policy Decision.

Say for example that ALL Pods were Banned:

What would be the Public Health Impact to Smokers having One Less Option to Quitting Smoking?
What would be the Impact on Current Pods users?
What would be the Impact regarding Black Markets?
Where is the Publish Quantitative Studies/Data that shows Banning Pods would have a Significant Positive Impact?
etc...

You would think these would be Pertinent Questions. But you don't seem to see much of this type of Dialog openly discussed.

BTW2 - Welcome to the ECF.

 

[Georgia Boy]

I'm glad you posted this. It serves as a reminder to me to seek out and review city and county commission agendas for actions such as this. I've been guilty as anyone about not following local government outside of the 6 o'clock news. While the federal and state officials are in hysterics, waving their arms around on tv news, local governments can and will quietly pass ordinances like this right under our noses.

Honestly, I should know better than anyone these are the ones to watch. I live in Johns Creek GA, and our city council is notoriously bad about taking this sort of action and getting worse every year. In other words back door ordinances that, while they may not explicitly prohibit some business or activity, the action taken will manage to choke it out anyway. I should expect that sort of thing here and be more diligent.

The fact that it even got discussed by the Dawson County GA county commission should be a warning to everyone. Dawson is 50 miles north of Atlanta in the Blue Ridge foothills. An area typically more associated with bootleg liquor and 4x4 pickup trucks, not hand wringing over vape shops.

There was one shop in Alpharetta that I think got closed down, just along the road from where I work, which is Roswell, dang shame.

 

[RedForeman]

There was one shop in Alpharetta that I think got closed down, just along the road from where I work, which is Roswell, dang shame.

TBH I'm not surprised. I never thought I'd hear myself say it, but there's too many vape shops around here that aren't really adding value to the marketplace. Probably doomed even before the recent industry attention. I've been in a few to try their flavors and been underwhelmed every time.

That said, I'm a fan of open markets and dont believe local government should be picking winners. I vote too. We have 2 of 6 city council seats in play this November.

 

[BigPappa]

Whenever an Elected Official opens their mouth, it is a Good Idea to Ask yourself...

"Are they Saying this because it is Something that Needs to happen? Or are they Saying this as a Way to Self-Promote themselves?"

Romney can beat the Ban Refillable Drum. But when you consider the Time needed to pass a piece of Legislation + the Time for the Legal Review + the Time need for Implementation, isn't that Likely to be Longer than 231 Day?

Because in about 231 Days, the e-Cigarette Market is going to Change.

So is our friend Mitt really doing anything Meaningful. Or is this just Jumping on the e-Cigarette Hype Train for Personal Promotion?

BTW - Here is something I posted in another thread today regarding Banning Pods.



BTW2 - Welcome to the ECF.

I was thinking that they could push it through... you do not think it's possible with all of the current fake hype to push it through long before May?

 

[zoiDman]

I was thinking that they could push it through... you do not think it's possible with all of the current fake hype to push it through long before May?

If you mean Do I Think that the proposed Legislation has a chance of Passage and becoming Law?

Then No, I Don't.

 

[Bruce C]

Massachusetts Governor just announced a ban on sales statewide yesterday of vaping equipment, Rhode Island reportedly will follow suit.

 

[Dr. Seuss]

What we are going to end up with is complete garbage like this:
MOJO

No pods, just an overpriced disposable hunk of junk... And the $6.99 price you see there is before they add the new tobacco taxes, which would make it more expensive to vape than to smoke cigarettes.

Right now, not including the cost of the tank or battery: it costs me about 25 cents a week in liquid and about 60 cents a month for coils.... so like 40 cents a week total. I'd be doing 3 of those mojo's per day, so $146.79/week before tobacco taxes are added. From what I have seen, the tobacco tax could be something like 40 to 90% of the wholesale price. taxfoundation.org/state-vapor-taxes-2019/

Heads up, those Mojos are no good. If you head over to Youtube and look up Jai Haze and mojo he’s got 3-4 videos where that specific pod has repeatedly been auto firing and the batteries going into thermal runaway for him and his customers. It’s a problem with the design I guess but that’s what you get with mass produced, cheap, I’m guessing Chinese garbage. There’s another warning for ones called “mint stigs”.

My advice for anyone is if you use those don’t and if you see anyone using them give them a heads up.

 

[Baditude]

I'm watching the Congressional hearings now. They are talking about an emergency total ban of all vape products. All that is missing is a date that it will take place.

If you need anything vape related, you better order it in the next couple of days. US suppliers are not going to be ordering new product after hearing this news. Once supplies are out of stock....that's all folks.

Personally, I'm pretty well stocked with nic and replacement coils. I'll probably buy some quantity of my favorite commercial flavored juice, and maybe another mech. The end is upon us, folks.

 

[Vape1048]

I like the current talk about impeaching trump- I actually support that. But still there is an even better idea- impeach the govt. We were never supposed to even have one anyway under the US Constitution then this country was founded. They really havent done us any good at all.