Please, don't vape where you can't smoke
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Do you really know anyone being that rude and obnoxious? I would think anyone with that much maturity isn't even allowed to be purchasing these things (sure it could happen somehow, but we're talking about an anomaly)
"Blowing in people's faces"? Come on. Most of us have already been so stunted by the no-smoking bans that we're timid to be using vaporizors in public, let alone be THAT care-free and rude about it.
I disagree with the policy to not vape where smoking is prohibited, though I do have some rules I follow
My view is that it is important to raise public awareness of these devices. It is crucial to spread the word about these devices so that they gain in popularity and thus increase the level of development and availability of PVs. The more people that start using them the more research will go into developing and marketing them. Soon we could have them and carts in every gas station and convenience store in the country.
I believe it is everyone's duty on this forum to use thier PV in public places where people are more likely to ask you questions and the word could get out. There are a few rules for courtesy that should be followed though:
1. Dont use one that look too much like an anolog-Use one in a funny color with a funny light, nobody will think that you are smoking a silver analog that burns with a blue cherry, they are more likely to ask what it is.
2. Always ask the proprieter or manager permission to use it, that way there is no confusion.
3. If someone complains be courteous and offer an explaination of the device and discontinue use if it is appropriate.
4. Be fairly discreet about using it, ie dont be any more blatant than you need to be.
5. Carry cards with info about PVs so you can hand them out to people who are interested.
Be smart about when it is appropriate and when it is not. I personally will only use it when seeted on the patio or in the smoking section, or if I am at a bar having a drink. Using it in places where there are kids is also a bit taboo.
You can use your PV in a manner that is courteous while at the same time enlightening your neighbors.
My view is that it is important to raise public awareness of these devices. It is crucial to spread the word about these devices so that they gain in popularity and thus increase the level of development and availability of PVs. The more people that start using them the more research will go into developing and marketing them. Soon we could have them and carts in every gas station and convenience store in the country.
I believe it is everyone's duty on this forum to use thier PV in public places where people are more likely to ask you questions and the word could get out. There are a few rules for courtesy that should be followed though:
1. Dont use one that look too much like an anolog-Use one in a funny color with a funny light, nobody will think that you are smoking a silver analog that burns with a blue cherry, they are more likely to ask what it is.
2. Always ask the proprieter or manager permission to use it, that way there is no confusion.
3. If someone complains be courteous and offer an explaination of the device and discontinue use if it is appropriate.
4. Be fairly discreet about using it, ie dont be any more blatant than you need to be.
5. Carry cards with info about PVs so you can hand them out to people who are interested.
Be smart about when it is appropriate and when it is not. I personally will only use it when seeted on the patio or in the smoking section, or if I am at a bar having a drink. Using it in places where there are kids is also a bit taboo.
You can use your PV in a manner that is courteous while at the same time enlightening your neighbors.
I live in Michigan and as of May 1st, there is no smoking ANYWHERE. The state took away the rights of the individual bar and restaurant owners and MANY of them are hurting financially. However, we have found that we are welcome to use our e-cigs in all the bars and restaurants weve been to since May 1st. We do ask permission, though.
If its NOT tobacco, we are encouraged to vape away.
If its NOT tobacco, we are encouraged to vape away.
+1 Good on you.
I live in Michigan and as of May 1st, there is no smoking ANYWHERE. The state took away the rights of the individual bar and restaurant owners and MANY of them are hurting financially. However, we have found that we are welcome to use our e-cigs in all the bars and restaurants weve been to since May 1st. We do ask permission, though.
If its NOT tobacco, we are encouraged to vape away.
Yup and that's the kind of attitude that will get e-cigs added to smoking bans across the country, It's already happening. Places have a right to dictate what they allow and what they don't, don't like it? Don't patronage those locations.
People have this make believe idea that they have a right to do whatever they please, wherever they want. They live in a fantasy world.
People who do not smoke think you are smoking if you vape in a non smoking place.
They are not addicted to nicotine..we are.
Be discreet..humble...you have an addiction, not they.
Why do you want to place yourself in a position that could be questioned?
If you have intelligence...utilize it.
They are not addicted to nicotine..we are.
Be discreet..humble...you have an addiction, not they.
Why do you want to place yourself in a position that could be questioned?
If you have intelligence...utilize it.
I believe in any social group, in nature, there are rules; some from courtesy some from research.
Not all rules are logical to everybody and many will oppose. At the end, the rules are there and we should courteous follow or ask before doing something right that may appear as wrong to the naked eye.
As vapers, today we know for a fact how bad smoking is. Many of us living with our families know how second hand smoke can hurt the ones surrounding us. People thought my wife was a smoker because her clothes smelled because I smoked.
Because of all information and propaganda against smoking is floating around; it does not mean vaping is prohibited but let’s face it and be honest… we wanted/needed something very similar! Many of us even use or used a devices looking and feeling like a cigarette. At a distance, our vapor clouds look a lot like smoke clouds… to the untrained people it is the same.
How many of you have been mugged? I am sorry, but many delinquents use fake guns… Would you jeopardize your life to check if the gun is real? I don’t think so… Yeah, it is an extreme example, nonetheless a valid one. If you own a bar and that business makes your living; Would you jeopardize it for one person? I wouldn’t. I’ve seen inspectors in NYC giving fines easily and threatening owners about closing establishments for smoking. What if we, as vapers, face one of those inspectors who don’t listen? The owner will be slapped with a fat ticket because of us… Not fair to my eyes.
I’ve been very lucky, I always ask before doing it. Most times, I explain what it is and how it looks. Most times they allow me to do it telling me if anybody complain I should stop. I haven’t had any problem in any establishment yet and despite having permit I never create a huge cloud of vapor nor I do it dragging any attention. Following this, I do not create problems for them and I can vape without being bothered. In the other hand, there is always one “nasty” person who has to complain. I used to vape in my office, but one coworker complained because “I am messing with his lungs” stupid? Yes, Can I do something? Sadly no, so what’s the solution? I stealth vape! Not that often, not in the open, but I do it without major problems.
Now, there is another situation that I haven’t seen around here. Migraine. There are different types, and one is triggered by odors… yes, there are people who can’t stand perfumes or other odors. Is it fair for them to get an attack because we have to vape in front of them? The answer there is courtesy. I don’t do it. Would you?
Not all rules are logical to everybody and many will oppose. At the end, the rules are there and we should courteous follow or ask before doing something right that may appear as wrong to the naked eye.
As vapers, today we know for a fact how bad smoking is. Many of us living with our families know how second hand smoke can hurt the ones surrounding us. People thought my wife was a smoker because her clothes smelled because I smoked.
Because of all information and propaganda against smoking is floating around; it does not mean vaping is prohibited but let’s face it and be honest… we wanted/needed something very similar! Many of us even use or used a devices looking and feeling like a cigarette. At a distance, our vapor clouds look a lot like smoke clouds… to the untrained people it is the same.
How many of you have been mugged? I am sorry, but many delinquents use fake guns… Would you jeopardize your life to check if the gun is real? I don’t think so… Yeah, it is an extreme example, nonetheless a valid one. If you own a bar and that business makes your living; Would you jeopardize it for one person? I wouldn’t. I’ve seen inspectors in NYC giving fines easily and threatening owners about closing establishments for smoking. What if we, as vapers, face one of those inspectors who don’t listen? The owner will be slapped with a fat ticket because of us… Not fair to my eyes.
I’ve been very lucky, I always ask before doing it. Most times, I explain what it is and how it looks. Most times they allow me to do it telling me if anybody complain I should stop. I haven’t had any problem in any establishment yet and despite having permit I never create a huge cloud of vapor nor I do it dragging any attention. Following this, I do not create problems for them and I can vape without being bothered. In the other hand, there is always one “nasty” person who has to complain. I used to vape in my office, but one coworker complained because “I am messing with his lungs” stupid? Yes, Can I do something? Sadly no, so what’s the solution? I stealth vape! Not that often, not in the open, but I do it without major problems.
Now, there is another situation that I haven’t seen around here. Migraine. There are different types, and one is triggered by odors… yes, there are people who can’t stand perfumes or other odors. Is it fair for them to get an attack because we have to vape in front of them? The answer there is courtesy. I don’t do it. Would you?
Agreed, vape when it is approriate, and do so with consideration. Educating people is important, but do not give anyone a reason to rally aganst the e-cig
That is an awesome analogy. I am a little more liberal with my usage because my state seems to be very educated about these already somehow (everywhere I eat out doesn't care about it). I won't do it anywhere there are children present. I still think that is a great example for people that are being TOO liberal and don't see the possible problems that may arise (at the moment before everyone is educated).
I disagee..I think the people that act like they're doing something dirty to be ashamed of... that fail to calmly and rationally educate others...
That are so used to being treated like a leper as smokers..that they feel the need to hide are just being pussies...
and by not furthering the understanding and knowlege that people have will contribute and make it easier for e-cigs to be added to smoking bans...now I'm not saying ranting and raving and carrying on is a good idea either, that will get us no where.....
The CDC, FDA, ALA, and their ilk are the ones pushing for it..and almost every state where vapers have stood up and educated those politicians adding e-cigs to the smoking ban has failed...Illinois, California, Utah, Virginia, and Maryland for example... New jersey so far has been the only place it was added and that went through quickly before vapers could really speak up....in fact I ended up giving an impromptu demo outside the AG office in Jersey because the smoking staffers had never seen or heard of an e-cig...after the ban had been passed..and those staffers thought it was a great device and were going to take it to the AG themselves..
Everyone keeps talking about vapor awareness... As if we need the whole world looking at us while we stay away from and disassociate ourselves with smokers.
What the hell? It's not the non-smokers who need education, it's the SMOKERS WHO NEED the CURE. Are you an attention ....., or are you an educator fighting for more people to have the option to live?
Think about it.
What the hell? It's not the non-smokers who need education, it's the SMOKERS WHO NEED the CURE. Are you an attention ....., or are you an educator fighting for more people to have the option to live?
Think about it.
I can see both sides. Remember you CAN vape in public without being obnoxious about it.
I think this view is too one sided. I think awareness is important for both smokers and non-smokers alike. It is not an attention ..... thing, it is about educating the public about this because, like it or not, BOTH smokers AND non-smokers vote on things that may only effect 1 of those groups.
These devices could be the miracle that many smokers have been praying for. Unless everyone is properly educated about what these devices are we will run the risk of uneducated biases helping to form legal policy with regards to them. If people view them the same as cigarettes then they will surely meet their demise at the whims of ignorant people.
It's a very fine line but I agree with the inconspicuous vapers. I too stealth vape every chance I get, being very cautious of who sees. I've never had a negative experience since PV's are actually quite common in my area, but I think it's important to be respectful and not harm the cause.
I live in the south...so that may be why I have NEVER, EVER had anyone freak out about me vaping in a place where smoking is not allowed.
Sometimes people will say "hey, that's one of those electronic cigarettes!" They they sometime want to know more about it...does it really help quit smoking, etc.
No one has ever complained, made faces, etc.
When in an airport, or plane, I will vape, but somewhat inconspicuously....not furtively, but not blowing it up into the air either. Never had a complaint.
Sometimes people will say "hey, that's one of those electronic cigarettes!" They they sometime want to know more about it...does it really help quit smoking, etc.
No one has ever complained, made faces, etc.
When in an airport, or plane, I will vape, but somewhat inconspicuously....not furtively, but not blowing it up into the air either. Never had a complaint.
its peple who think like that that make a bad image for the rest of us...do it STEALTHLY (if thats a word) and there will be no problems! If your going to do it where it isnt allowed...ie. airplanes, restaurants, malls, public areas...then do it so that noone else knows...dont be that .....
people fear what they dont understand and with vaping being such a new hobby many people dont know what it is or how it works...they may very well think that you are slowly giving them lung cancer or smoking CRACK...Be POLITE and courteous...
people shouldnt vape because you can do it in areas where traditional smoking isnt allowed..although that is a added benefit...you should really be doing it because it is HEALTHIER AND SAFER...all the other reasons are just secondary benefits....IMO....again..BE POLITE
also...it is a good idea to get e-cigs that DO NOT LOOK LIKE REAL CIGARETTES!!!!!!...i always get eithe black or stainless components tat have a blue ligt instead of orange...then if someone DOES see...they know its not a normal cigarette and they may be more understanding..
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