Please, don't vape where you can't smoke

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Hi Everyone,
It was a smart idea for Dawhoo to start this post.
It allows everyone to clear the air with their own points of view on vaping in public non-smoking places.

If you all think that vaping or smoking in public areas is the only thing that ignorant people don't understand and freak out about then you should try this as a quick test study.

Even though it didn't start as a a test or study of people in public places having the ability to approach the unknown with any amount of open-mindedness or certainty -- it has become a study of such for me.

I was an analogee for a many years and when the bans came along I grew use to having to go outside or hide my smoking like I was doing something illegal or dirty.

Here is one example of how people and their fearful opinions in public places can get totally out of control.

I went to an oral surgeon in the spring of 2009 (last year).
I was sent to the surgeon because I had 2 impacted molars which my dentist said had to be surgically removed. During the surgery something went wrong and the surgeon broke shattered my lower jawbone. Zip-pop-crack-that’s all I heard, but not all I felt. From that day on I've had to wear a hot-ugly surgical mask (when I’m working or in public) to protect the wires running through the lower bone from infection. It's been one infection and nightmare after the other since. I'm still stuck in that surgical mask anytime I go out in public.

So if you all would like to know exactly what kind of a freaked-out trip uneducated people in public can go on in the blink of an eye, then try wearing a surgical mask and walking into a public store or restaurant. (I can't eat in the restaurant, my 82 year old mother insists I take her out to eat and being a loving daughter I take her.)

It gets really freakier if someone sees me vaping with a surgical mask hanging below my chin.
Mind you I go way out of the close path of vision for the public eye, but there is always someone who wonders along my hidden path. I don't do it totally in the open, like the guy Dawhoo mentioned in the restaurant.

There are just some hard to deal with days when I have to care for my mother and we are in public areas.
Like the day that we went into a restaurant (which only had 3 people besides us in it at the time). I went into the restroom to wash up and to get a much needed-quick vape – I was in there about two minutes when 1 of the 3 other people in the restaurant came in. She was an older woman, the kind you just know from the minute they enter a room that they will be picking apart every other person in that room sooner or later. Judging what they wear, how they speak, you know what I mean.

So there I stood in the far corner of the restroom, hands and face all sanitary, with a surgical mask hanging below my chin, and lightly vaping. You see, I can't vape hard because of the wires, but you would have thought I was smoking a pack of analogs all at the same time the way this woman reacted.

Oh, I almost forgot to tell you that my Mother is a total advocate against Smoking! She's allergic to cigarette smoke, was diagnosed as such over 28 years ago.
When she's around people smoking or enters a room where people have recently been smoking she immediately chokes up, her eyes start running like a river, and she coughs as though she were dying from a terminal lung disease.

At any rate this older woman whom I'd never seen before comes into the restroom and immediately tells me to put out the cigarette or she'll call management and have me thrown out. Mind you we are in a quite large ladies restroom. Only my mom and 2 other customers are in the restaurant. This woman wasn't nice about it at all! She stuck her face close to mine, and started pointing her fingers at my mask. She followed her demand by rashly asking me, "Do you have AIDS or something?!" Bear in mind I'm a level-headed quick-thinker. So I looked her right in the eyes and ask her, " Are you afraid of the unknown, AIDS and the likes, or are you just having a bad day?" She stepped back and repeated her demand for me to stop smoking. I never raise my voice except for at a sporting event or something exciting. So I remained very calm which freaked her out even more. That's when I hit her with this little ditty. "Mam, I don't have AIDS, so you can rest easy you're not going to catch anything." "But, I do have a medical need which my doctor thought this cigarette looking inhaler device would be better for me to use to quit smoking because of the wires in my jawbone." "Further, may I advise you that it would be most beneficial for you to get proper education on AIDS and other things which frighten you before you approach the next person in such a manner?" "Keep this day for a point of reference because the next person you approach in such a negative manner just might send you to the nearest hospital."
The woman looked at me and calmly said, "Oh, I thought you had AIDS or something and you were smoking cigarettes in this restroom."

I walked out of the restroom, joined my mom at the table, and a few minutes later the older woman walked out, went past us and smiled at the both of us.

Why didn't I take that opportunity to educate this woman on the electronic cigarette?

It was because in my lifetime of working with people from all walks of life, I've learned that there are just some people you can't on-the-spot-educate, they have to be gradually eased into the learning process. It takes some people, especially the fearful, close-minded ones time to accept even the smallest of changes.

So the next time you want to really find out how quickly people over react to the unknown put on a blue and white surgical mask, go out to a public place, drop the mask below your chin and start vaping. You'll find out in a hurry just how closed-minded - uneducated-people over react to even the smallest changes around them.

By the way, I wasn't in the restaurant's eating area when this happened. Like I said I was in the ladies restroom. And to top it off I was vaping at the lowest possible level.

Dawhoo is right…….if we want vaping to succeed we need to realize that we must pursue our goals, swiftly but quietly.

FYI: As I said my Mom is severely allergic to cigarette smoke, directly or indirectly, BUT SHE HAS ZERO REACTIONS WHEN I VAPE IN A ROOM OR WITH HER IN THE CAR.

Here's to peaceful vaping and its success!

Smiles! (At home so I don't have to wear that awful surgical mask) Can kind of smile now.
 
The only place I won't vape in public, is a hospital or church. Sometimes in a restaurant (usually go to bathroom.)

Nobody EVER complains to me. EVERYBODY asks me all kinds of questions about it.

The more people I can get to see me doing it, the more I can teach and give correct info about it.

The more people know, the better our cause.
 

warbdan

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Good point, I still go in the smoking breakroom at work and vape. One of my bosses was asking me about my e-cig on the floor the other day though. He was interested in getting his wife one, so I whipped my shiny black 901 out and vaped a mushroom cloud of USA mix VG right in the middle of the store. It was awesome! He couldn't believe how vapor could look like smoke :D
 
see the point about not bringing negative attention on the use of e-cigs. This negative attention seems to me at least to be part of what has become the socially acceptable bashing of those that smoke.

I was looking forward to regaining the freedom I use to have while still dealing with nicotine addiction. No more freezing in the parking lot out side a restaurant or club, no more stress about how long a meeting was going to last and all the other moments that smoking has robbed me of either missing out on something or stressing about that next drag.

Wouldn't a better approach be to use them everywhere and try to educate those that don't know about how safe there use is especially for those around someone using a e-cig.

In the end public opinion will play a big roll in the reaction of authorities
 

prophetr1

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there is alot of post in here and i didnt read them all but i wil say that i wil continue to vape everywhere i go i wont be an donkey about it but if no one does it then the public will never know ....every time i vape some one comes up and ask me we talk and then gues what thats one less uneducated person and we are one person closer to not having to wrry abot it...
 

Dmcafee

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heres my 2 cents worth....
i have vaped in an insurance office, beauty shop, walmart. went to the movies tonight and vaped. in my car next to a policeman i vaped... i don't treat vaping like its anything wrong and no one has treated me like i'm doing anything wrong.
in the insurance office i asked... do you mind if i vap? little gal said sure, go ahead. i laughed and said, you don't have a clue what i'm talking about do you? so i brought it out (my joye 510) and vaped some.
e1 i've run across that says anything is just curious and so happy that i have quit smoking. a lot ask for info because they know someone that wants to quit also.
 

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Free2bME-- What a story! You sure did well with that lady. Very classy. I hope your jaw is healed and healthy soon so that you and Mom can enjoy a dinner out together sans mask.

I'm in the stealth vapers camp. I almost always do it in restaurants after my meal, but I just hold the vapor in a little longer so that there isn't much, and then blow it either into my shirt (if it has the kind of neckline that makes that convenient) or just blow it downward toward my feet. Nobody has ever noticed. A server noticed me holding it, and it sitting on the table, and asked about it once. I showed her how it works and she mentioned that she might like to try one.

I wouldn't blow up clouds, there is no reason that the other patrons should just magically know from across the room that this isn't smoke.
 

radicaljd

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What we need are vaper-friendly establishments. How do we do this? Either one of us can open a restaurant and post a sign outside that says, "Vaper Friendly," or get to know restaurant owners who are smokers and turn them on to vaping. Seems like the second option shouldn't be too difficult. Smokers are switching to vapor all the time.

Here in San Antonio, smoking is, by law, banned in pretty much all restaurants. But vaping is not smoking. I'm a lawyer, and I can tell you that our anti-smoking ordinance would not apply to PV's. If someone was cited by some ignorent cop, it would never hold up in court. They would need to re-draft the ordinance.

If even one restaurant owner becomes pro-vaping, I think the idea could catch on. People would see the sign and ask, "What the hell is a vaper?"

As I see it, the problem is ignorence. All one needs to do is smell the vapor, and they will see that it is definitely not the same as smoking.

RadicalJD
 

firefox335

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The only place I won't vape in public, is a hospital or church. Sometimes in a restaurant (usually go to bathroom.)

Nobody EVER complains to me. EVERYBODY asks me all kinds of questions about it.

The more people I can get to see me doing it, the more I can teach and give correct info about it.

The more people know, the better our cause.

From what I've read on this forum, hospitals are some of the most vapor friendly places out there. From what I gather, the doctors feel frustrated with their patients that will not give up smoking. By vaping, you are effectivly showing smokers that there IS a viable alternative to lung cancer and emphazema. Just always make sure you ask first! :D
 

firefox335

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What we need are vaper-friendly establishments. How do we do this? Either one of us can open a restaurant and post a sign outside that says, "Vaper Friendly," or get to know restaurant owners who are smokers and turn them on to vaping. Seems like the second option shouldn't be too difficult. Smokers are switching to vapor all the time.

Here in San Antonio, smoking is, by law, banned in pretty much all restaurants. But vaping is not smoking. I'm a lawyer, and I can tell you that our anti-smoking ordinance would not apply to PV's. If someone was cited by some ignorent cop, it would never hold up in court. They would need to re-draft the ordinance.

If even one restaurant owner becomes pro-vaping, I think the idea could catch on. People would see the sign and ask, "What the hell is a vaper?"

As I see it, the problem is ignorence. All one needs to do is smell the vapor, and they will see that it is definitely not the same as smoking.

RadicalJD

I found a few signs online. I hope we see more signs like this in public places in the future.

http://www.paulferguson.com/esmoke/documents/esmoking_allowed.jpg

http://lightitupecig.com/images/electronic-cigarette-pub-sign_small.jpg
 
What we need are vaper-friendly establishments. How do we do this? Either one of us can open a restaurant and post a sign outside that says, "Vaper Friendly," or get to know restaurant owners who are smokers and turn them on to vaping. Seems like the second option shouldn't be too difficult. Smokers are switching to vapor all the time.

Here in San Antonio, smoking is, by law, banned in pretty much all restaurants. But vaping is not smoking. I'm a lawyer, and I can tell you that our anti-smoking ordinance would not apply to PV's. If someone was cited by some ignorent cop, it would never hold up in court. They would need to re-draft the ordinance.

If even one restaurant owner becomes pro-vaping, I think the idea could catch on. People would see the sign and ask, "What the hell is a vaper?"

As I see it, the problem is ignorence. All one needs to do is smell the vapor, and they will see that it is definitely not the same as smoking.

RadicalJD

I like what this guy did...think of what we could accomplish if enough of us did something similar in all areas of the country:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...79187-question-posed-local-establishment.html
 

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It's all about education, but there will always be people who don't watch the news or read the paper and get all their opinions from other people. Hopefully, those will be enlightened by someone so that they don't get their feathers ruffled when someone vapes nect to them.

Television advertisements would be a great way to introduce vaping to the public. Ironically, they won't get off the ground because vaping looks like smoking and the ad marketing campaigns for smoking devises are prohibited under Federal law. If electronic cigarettes could be explained in a commercial they would take off like a rocket.
 
It's all about education, but there will always be people who don't watch the news or read the paper and get all their opinions from other people. Hopefully, those will be enlightened by someone so that they don't get their feathers ruffled when someone vapes nect to them.

Television advertisements would be a great way to introduce vaping to the public. Ironically, they won't get off the ground because vaping looks like smoking and the ad marketing campaigns for smoking devises are prohibited under Federal law. If electronic cigarettes could be explained in a commercial they would take off like a rocket.

It may look like smoking, but since it technically is NOT smoking, could that be a viable loophole?
 
We have vaped in several restaurants; but showed our e-cigs to the waiter and asked if it's OK to vape. Never been told not to vape. When other guests have been surprised or outraged, we asked the waiter to tell them, that it is not to smoke, and that they are welcome to come and see what it is.
 

Tober138

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went to the movies tonight and vaped.

I think I would find this bothersome and would probably ask someone to knock it off (during the movie) - having the led go off in a darkened theater would be as distracting to me as the light from someone's cel phone when they are texting during a movie.
 

Natario

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I never saw anybody with ecig in any public places ever yet- strange,a?
Considering, that so many thousands are now vaping...
As to me, I vape at home, at work and in the car. For some reasons (?), I don't have this urge to vape when I am out. But I remember very well how I always wanted to smoke, especially where it was prohibited.
 

varalMCheelflip

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I have only ever had one person tell me to go outside, and that was some fat b*tch at McDonalds, I had to explain to her that the 5 burgers she was shoving into her face were of much more concern to her health than my e-cig.

Still I will have to agree that while it is compleatly ok, it is still nessicary to be discreat about vaping, hopefully the world will have a better understanding one day, but untill then just keep it out of the resteraunts, it seems to be the only time people have a problem with it.
 
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Redd

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Went to Karaoke with my brother last night. WI just went totally smoke free in public places, so I went to the bartenders, and stated asked if the use of E-Cigs were allowed and they said "certainly are". This was at a pretty s....y resort too.

So I was able to have a few glasses of wine and sing Karaoke, AND vape. It was wonderful.
 
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