Please, don't vape where you can't smoke

[toobraids]

one of the reasons I quit smoking was because I was sick to death of standing in the cold washington rain like a freaking orphan with my analog getting wet and then having to run back inside after only a puff or two to answer a ringing phone....I will do whatever stealthy gestures I can to grab a few quick drags so as not to send me into the rain again...I also don't need to have my e-cig surgicaly attached to my face either, there are plenty of under cover vapin places when in doubt or can't wait till I am alone...most of the PIA non smokers I have vaped in front of thought it was a pen since I don't spew vapor like a volcano....cheap juice I imagine

 

[radicaljd]

One of the advantages of my eGo, I think, is the fact that it doesn't look like a cigarette. I am not afraid of people confronting me with my vaping in public. I walk around grocery stores, malls, Walmart, Target...wherever, just vaping away. My approach is NOT to ask permission first. I very rarely get any complaints or inquiries from anyone.

On the 2-3 times I have been approached, I simply replied, "Oh, I am not smoking, I am using my personal vaporizer, which just gives off water vapor, not smoke. Sorry, I know it sort of 'looks' like smoking to some folks."

On all of the occasions when I responded as above, I wasn't told to refrain from vaping. The person said, "Oh, sorry, my mistake.." ...or something to that effect.

Of course, if I am told to stop vaping even after explaining what I am doing, I will not be difficult, I will simply put it away. But I don't think it is necessary to be paranoid and automatically assume that we should abide by signs or unwritten rules proscribing tobacco cigarettes.

RadicalJD

 

[Tober138]

I don't think it is necessary to be paranoid and automatically assume that we should abide by signs or unwritten rules proscribing tobacco cigarettes.

I do not think that it has to do with being "paranoid"...I think it has more to do with simple courtesy. Just because one can do something, does not mean they should. I would never walk around vaping away in the mall or in stores or something like that. I do my public vaping mainly in settings where I normally would have smoked analogs.

That probably comes from how I feel about cel phones (as an example). If someone starts talking on thier cel in a restaurant...or is walking down the aisles in Harris Teeter yapping away...I find that rude and demonstrative of a lack of class. Yes, one can talk on the phone in those settings...but it dies not mean that they should.

If ever find that I do have to take a call in a setting like that (for example, an emergency call for work), then I will immediately excuse myself and step outside. I happen to feel the same way about vaping....I never would think to whip out an analog while I was walking through a store, so I would never think to vape in those places either.

 

[radicaljd]

I do not think that it has to do with being "paranoid"...I think it has more to do with simple courtesy. Just because one can do something, does not mean they should. I would never walk around vaping away in the mall or in stores or something like that. I do my public vaping mainly in settings where I normally would have smoked analogs.

That probably comes from how I feel about cel phones (as an example). If someone starts talking on thier cel in a restaurant...or is walking down the aisles in Harris Teeter yapping away...I find that rude and demonstrative of a lack of class. Yes, one can talk on the phone in those settings...but it dies not mean that they should.

If ever find that I do have to take a call in a setting like that (for example, an emergency call for work), then I will immediately excuse myself and step outside. I happen to feel the same way about vaping....I never would think to whip out an analog while I was walking through a store, so I would never think to vape in those places either.

Your analogies do not apply. There is nothing rude or discourteous about vaping in a mall or other public place. Cell phones make noise and cause interruptions. Smoking regular cigarettes causes smoke to intrude on people who don't want smoke in their lungs. Vaping simply makes some people anxious because they think it is smoke. They probably can't even smell it, unless you are in a small enclosed room.

Is it discourteous for someone to wear perfume or cologne in a public place? Actually, some small percentage of people are offended by perfumes, yet no one would suggest that perfume-wearing in public should be made illegal, or even discouraged.

I still maintain that vaping in public does not show a lack of courtesy because there is nothing about that practice that significantly intrudes on other people.

RadicalJD

Is it

 

[SubOnAux24]

I'm with you Radicaljd, I brazenly vape openly EVERYWHERE i am, and find no offense to others by doing so. So yea, the perfume topic i would say is a clincher where as offending people is more so than vaping. I have never been denied to vape in any public places so far. I always " go for it" and if someone says something, then i will demonstrate and give them the yadda yadda spiel and all is good. No harm no foul. I feel that it is necessary to educate those who have an interest in something new. And hopefully converting a few smokers while doing it. Bwahahahaa

 

[AlphaTau99]

You know, I've said it before, but I'll re-iterate: there's a very fine line between "respectful and courteous" and "doormat." I'm still lucky enough to have not had any problems vaping anywhere, but I'm pretty sure (though this may have been said before, if so I apologize) if we demonize ourselves, we're just that much easier of a target.

Vaping isn't smoking, no matter how one tries to spin it. As such, provided we aren't being completely obnoxious, I see no reason to be ashamed or hesitant. Until we can say "Hey lady, I don't like that perfume you're wearing, beat it," or "excuse me Mr. Manager, that man over there smells like he didn't shower, can you make him go outside," I'll both expect *and* fight for the same consideration. Unless these anti-everything types can come up with something better than "it looks like smoking, therefore it offends me," I don't consider any argument they have valid.

This message was brought to you by the letter "Q" and the number "7."

 

[HexKrak]

I'm inclined to vape where people used to be able to smoke just a few years ago. Bars, pool halls, bowling allies, etc. Even then I try and ask the most senior staff permission if they don't have a formal policy that any other employee can tell me about. No permission, no problem, if I get it I'm happy and ready to answer people's questions. I have found that having a blue LED or the eGO seems to bring less initial hostility to the inevitable questions than an analog clone with a red led.

There are places I wouldn't vape though, mostly where people would get offended because I don't want to perpetuate further negative thoughts for them to hold against e-cigs.

 

[DaMulta]

PSST, I vape everywhere because it's harmless. I'm going to continue to do so also no matter what the law tells me. All I have to do is hold it in, and no one ever even blinks an eye at me.


Until they put up signs telling women to stop wearing globs of perfume I see no harm no foul on my part

 

[HexKrak]

The point of being tactful about where you vape is to help avoid those laws saying you can't vape from being written, and to help the ones that have been passed to find way to repeal.

 

[DemonCowboy]

The point of being tactful about where you vape is to help avoid those laws saying you can't vape from being written, and to help the ones that have been passed to find way to repeal.

i disagree, they make them easier to put into policy and law - remember the first words of the constitution and remember what it's about.

We the people...

if we let ourselves get walked on and trampled over that's exactly what's going to happen. we need to stand up for ourselves and say HEY this is what we want and this is how it's going to be. let some1 prove we're hurting or infringing on anyone else's rights that aren't already done by everybody else anyway.

it's about time logic and reason make a comeback - WAKE UP PPL!!! and stand up for u'r rights.

 

[fmx]

I've been vaping in my office for weeks... Mind you I do close the door... But I haven't heard anything from anyone regarding an odor, etc.

My office, my rules. ...not really, but I know it's not harming anyone, so I plan to keep doing it. If someone [at the office] gives me a valid reason to stop, I will.

 

[Rin]

I honestly think perfume application should be regulated. I've gotten on an airplane before and literally gagged on someone's perfume. I would've thrown up if it weren't for the fact I was running late and didn't eat anything that day.

On a similar note, my girlfriend absolutely can not stand the smell of smoke. I can be downstairs smoking out the back door and she still smells it. My PV even when vaped, quite literally, in her face doesn't bother her a single bit.

If the infringement (or perception thereof) upon senses is a crime, then please, prevent people from wearing too much perfume in public, prevent people from entering public areas if they haven't showered, and please please please prevent the people with crack showing from being in public places.

Until that happens, vape away~

 

[fmx]

I honestly think perfume application should be regulated. I've gotten on an airplane before and literally gagged on someone's perfume. I would've thrown up if it weren't for the fact I was running late and didn't eat anything that day.

On a similar note, my girlfriend absolutely can not stand the smell of smoke. I can be downstairs smoking out the back door and she still smells it. My PV even when vaped, quite literally, in her face doesn't bother her a single bit.

If the infringement (or perception thereof) upon senses is a crime, then please, prevent people from wearing too much perfume in public, prevent people from entering public areas if they haven't showered, and please please please prevent the people with crack showing from being in public places.

Until that happens, vape away~

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[radicaljd]

I honestly think perfume application should be regulated. I've gotten on an airplane before and literally gagged on someone's perfume. I would've thrown up if it weren't for the fact I was running late and didn't eat anything that day.

On a similar note, my girlfriend absolutely can not stand the smell of smoke. I can be downstairs smoking out the back door and she still smells it. My PV even when vaped, quite literally, in her face doesn't bother her a single bit.

If the infringement (or perception thereof) upon senses is a crime, then please, prevent people from wearing too much perfume in public, prevent people from entering public areas if they haven't showered, and please please please prevent the people with crack showing from being in public places.

Until that happens, vape away~

In my opinion, bathing (or lack thereof) is a greater "infringement."

 

[Rin]

In my opinion, bathing (or lack thereof) is a greater "infringement."

I was just referring to denial of access though, of course we can't force people who don't like to shower to shower. That would violate their rights sadly

But when it comes down to it, the only argument I've really seen against the PV is either invalid due to misinformation, or it's that the person is perceiving a harm that doesn't exist. Why do the sane members of society have to bend to the ludicrous requests of the extremists? There's no basis for why we can't vape anywhere we want, excluding some laws created by those very same extremists and passed by people who couldn't care less or chose the easy way out.

 

[Spills]

I dont vap where smoking isnt allowed and wont ask to vap either. I dont hide it when I go outside but will seperate myself from smokers outside just because I dont wanna inhale what they are. But tbo there are no long term studies and outta respect I wouldnt vap around others even if they said it was ok. I beleive it is safer then cigs but how much safer isnt really a justification to say "Well it wont kill you as fast and this im pretty sure of". Selfish to the fullest imo. Go ahead and advocate for them and do it proudly. But you cannot blame people for not wanting a fairly new product vapors around them. Im glad they banned smoking in many places cause plain and simple it killed people who dont even smoke. And until there are lots of studies and proof of the exact effects (Long Term) this shouldnt be allowed inside either. Im taking a chance and beleive they are much healthier but if down the line I get something from ecig use that kills me then thats ok its a choice I made. However having this effect someone else cause I was around them isnt exceptable imo.

 

[Drozd]

I dont vap where smoking isnt allowed and wont ask to vap either. I dont hide it when I go outside but will seperate myself from smokers outside just because I dont wanna inhale what they are. But tbo there are no long term studies and outta respect I wouldnt vap around others even if they said it was ok.

Hogwash...there are plenty of studies

Im glad they banned smoking in many places cause plain and simple it killed people who dont even smoke.

again this is BS...there have been NO credible studies that have linked the concept of second hand smoke to death or disease

And until there are lots of studies and proof of the exact effects (Long Term) this shouldnt be allowed inside either. Im taking a chance and beleive they are much healthier but if down the line I get something from ecig use that kills me then thats ok its a choice I made. However having this effect someone else cause I was around them isnt exceptable imo.

and it's this misinformed attitude that will be our downfall and make bans happen...

 

[Rin]

Like I said, "invalid due to misinformation." If we do not stand up and exercise our rights then we will lose them. People have to realize it's not the same thing as smoking, and vaping in a dark corner away from society isn't going to accomplish that.

There are many rights in society today that were under threat of being lost simply due to the same scenario - people with misinformation making decisions and those affected being too scared/apathetic to do anything about it.

As a disclaimer, I am in no way saying vaping rights are as serious as the following examples, simply illustrating events in which this same scenario applied: Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Homosexual Rights, and Citizen's Rights (still fighting this one against some law enforcement agencies, sadly).

The same scenario has played out throughout history. Misinformed people in power make bad decisions and the only way for justice to be done is for those affected to stand up and fight for it.

Just because a particular right doesn't seem important, or it seems easier to give it up, doesn't mean you should (see: 4th and 5th Amendment).

 

[Drozd]

exactly Rin...I love the "no long term studies line"....in that there have been years and years of studies done on the effects of inhaled PG that have been published in the journal of pharmacology and by groups such as NASA...

nicotine has been proven to be no worse than caffeine...

so I'm confused to what hand picked study people want....

there's also real reports on second hand smoke and how OSHA found that they really coundn't set a level of exposure for tobacco smoke because it'd have been so high it'd have been silly...thats why ASH dropped their lawsuit to get OSHA to set standards..

but there are smokers out there who are so ashamed of themselves and so ostracised that they've been brainwashed into feeling that way...so when something like a PV comes along that has none of that they still feel that they're doing something wrong and they should be shunned for it...makes me want to take their PV's away and give them back the smokes because they're hurting PV users even more..

 

[Rin]

Well, this is what happens when society is brainwashed into thinking smokers are the worst people in the world for enjoying nicotine.

I would actively move away from non-smokers when I smoked. Not because I was forced to, but because it's a simple gesture of kindness. They don't enjoy the smell, I don't enjoy them complaining.

And yet, I would have non-smokers walk up to me mid-cigarette (keep in mind I hadn't moved, and was the only one in that spot prior to them showing up) and tell me to put it out or move.

Luckily when I refuse in a stern voice people leave me alone considering I'm 6'5" and 240 lbs. In America at least, people seem to not mind getting pushed around for doing nothing wrong though. I'll never understand it.