pls dont blow out clouds indoors around public

[Jay-dub]

For some reason what I'm vaping takes about three minutes to no longer be visible. So, in my mind, the vapor lingers. Now, cig smoke could linger for about twenty-minutes. I know this because my wife still smokes. I know my personal experience isn't as scientific as watching youtube videos so I'm just speaking for myself.

 

[Jman8]

For some reason what I'm vaping takes about three minutes to no longer be visible. So, in my mind, the vapor lingers. Now, cig smoke could linger for about twenty-minutes. I know this because my wife still smokes. I know my personal experience isn't as scientific as watching youtube videos so I'm just speaking for myself.

So, now I'm curious what kind of device you are vaping with?

 

[diggyb]

For some reason what I'm vaping takes about three minutes to no longer be visible. So, in my mind, the vapor lingers. Now, cig smoke could linger for about twenty-minutes. I know this because my wife still smokes. I know my personal experience isn't as scientific as watching youtube videos so I'm just speaking for myself.

...and multiply that by multiple vapers, vaping constantly - and we arrive at the point. Which is that people who have no interest in vaping may react negatively to a haze.

I wouldn't. I don't care. It's not all about me, though.

 

[wonner]

I read a post the other day by a guy who claimed he had filled his car with vapor to the point that the cops pulled him over thinking he was smoking something illegal. Sort of a Cheech & Chong moment.

I've vaped a lot in my car, but never got close to anything like that. My vapor doesn't even last until I start the next one.

Ain't sayin' it didm't happen, but...

 

[EddardinWinter]

I designate you as "Linger Deputy"

Admittedly, I'm not vaping big mods and instead do cig-a-likes. So admittedly my exhaled vapor production is perhaps far less than everyone reading this. I dunno. Which is why I went to Busardo vid channel to see how much his stuff lingers and is detectable. It really seemed to me that it was less than 3 seconds. Granted, if you had a really fine camera, and certain lighting, I think it would be more detectable. But I think that is probably accurate for a bunch of stuff that is exhaled.

I was also thinking recently how there are vapers who have strong dislike for cig-a-likes because it appears too much like a log, which doesn't allegedly help on the political front. But then there are the big devices that are plausibly blowing out more vapor which, if accurate, and they do linger far longer than cig-a-likes, is also not helping the political front. I as a vapor, who is likely to stick to cig-a-likes has no problem with big devices. I hope they continue to be made and get better forever. Regardless of the cloud they produce. Because to me the science of SHV is what ought to be driving this discussion, and not the appearance/perception of vapor in the air.

For the record, I knew what you were getting at. I also have no issue with your tone. You were just challenging the assertions made by others as is your nature, Jman.

I just happen to agree with your antagonists on this thread on the issue of "lingering vapor".

In any case, both the perception of vapor in the air and the science of SHV will drive the discussion. I wish it was all about the science of SHV, too. Sadly, it is not. Many (most?) people are too simple, too poorly read on the subject, or just too lazy to get involved in science. Many of these same people have been conditioned for decades to view smokey clouds coming from people engaged in this sort of activity as dangerous things that will kill them and harm children. As such, this sort of thing shapes the debate.

 

[diggyb]

I read a post the other day by a guy who claimed he had filled his car with vapor to the point that the cops pulled him over thinking he was smoking something illegal. Sort of a Cheech & Chong moment.

I've vaped a lot in my car, but never got close to anything like that. My vapor doesn't even last until I start the next one.

Ain't sayin' it didm't happen, but...

Maybe a Fiat!

I vape 100% vg or 80% vg - and while I don't think I could do that - it really wouldn't take much more. Maybe one more vaper

 

[Jman8]

I've vaped a lot in my car, but never got close to anything like that. My vapor doesn't even last until I start the next one.

This matches my experience. I'm thinking if you and I and a dozen other vapers were in an enclosed space, all presumably using the same device, there would be either no vapor visible in the air, or some/very little that seemed to dissipate very fast.

But then there are others on this thread where it does linger for up to 3 minutes, constantly. I honestly can't imagine what that's like in the room, other than to compare it to logs. Cause I'm certainly taking a puff every 3 minutes for almost the entire day, so that would mean my home and car would be constantly hazy.

 

[Jay-dub]

So, now I'm curious what kind of device you are vaping with?

iTaste 134 topped with the iClear30S. On one hand, it's overkill. On the other, a toke or two and I'm good to go for a while. Takes way less time to get my fix this way than through analogues. But yeah, some of my vapes are not only large but thick...feels like I'm writing into Penthouse forum all of the sudden...

 

[Krafted Khaos]

I agree that some people still don't know that ME vaping, even right next to them in a tiny space, won't affect them whatsoever.

Remember, WE use the clouds of 'smoke' to play tricks on our brains, to make them still think that we're getting a lung-full of the 'good stuff'... we have to keep in mind that those same clouds of vapor that trick our brains also tricks the brains of others who are unfamiliar with PV's (ecigs). While the trick may soothe us, it can also cause anxiety in those around us who just see a hazy cloud billowing around our heads and think 'Smoke'.

No need to be ashamed of it, but, just like smoking (or blowing bubbles with chewing gum, or anything else that affects those around us, whether it be audibly or visually or ummm... smell-ually? haha) just show a little common courtesy.

Frankly, if you were a non-courteous smoker, you'll likely be an non-courteous vaper. If you were an ashamed smoker, you'll probably be an ashamed vaper. The ideal combination would be if everyone were courteous, yet unapologetic for doing something that YOU want to do in a way that is reasonably accommodating to those around you.

Of course, that is only my

Happy Vaping!

A.

 

[PNW Rider]

I vaped in the movie theater and I'm certain I was seen by at least two people. Nobody complained and for the most part when I exhaled my 80% vg vapor through my nose, it went down under the seat never to be seen again. My friend from Vancouver BC said he couldn't understand why I wS being stealthy at all. Apparently Canadians vape everywhere and nobody complains.

I also hot boxed my car at Walmart with said 80 vg and then opened the sun roof to watch the clouds bellows out. I got some really interesting looks. Most people just smiled and nodded.

 

[EddardinWinter]

...and multiply that by multiple vapers, vaping constantly - and we arrive at the point. Which is that people who have no interest in vaping may react negatively to a haze.

I wouldn't. I don't care. It's not all about me, though.

This is a valid point. I suspect that there are factors OUTSIDE of the vapor producing device and person that drive the Vapor Lingering Period. (VLP)

For one, I am almost certain that the humidity levels in the air are a large factor, as well as ventilation, temperature, and air movement patterns. I suspect any room could be turned into a vape friendly place with some basic modifications to its HVAC system that would make the visible clouds of vapor much shorter lived and much less irksome.

Higher Humidity=Longer VLP
Better Ventilation=Shorter VLP
Higher Temperature=Longer VLP (not as confident of this one as the others)
Greater Air Movement=Shorter VLP

 

[wonner]

Frankly, if you were a non-courteous smoker, you'll likely be an non-courteous vaper. If you were an ashamed smoker, you'll probably be an ashamed vaper. The ideal combination would be if everyone were courteous, yet unapologetic for doing something that YOU want to do in a way that is reasonably accommodating to those around you.

When I smoked, I was visiting friends and said I was going outside for a cigarette. They said, "Oh, it's OK for you to smoke in here, you're a courteous smoker."

So it is not just what you do, but how you do it that matters. But rules will always be made based on the worst case scenario.

 

[EddardinWinter]

This matches my experience. I'm thinking if you and I and a dozen other vapers were in an enclosed space, all presumably using the same device, there would be either no vapor visible in the air, or some/very little that seemed to dissipate very fast.

But then there are others on this thread where it does linger for up to 3 minutes, constantly. I honestly can't imagine what that's like in the room, other than to compare it to logs. Cause I'm certainly taking a puff every 3 minutes for almost the entire day, so that would mean my home and car would be constantly hazy.

But your relatively weak cig-a-like cannot compete with my ProVari in terms of vapor production most likely. Do you know what wattage the output of the device is? I bet it is 6-7 watt range. Mine is nearly double that! So it makes sense that my device, even if we vaped both devices with an identical draw, would dwarf yours in vapor production. A greater concentrated vapor will take longer to disperse.

Make sense?

 

[diggyb]

Now that I see your misunderstanding of devices and vapor production - I can see how maybe I took you the wrong way originally. Apologies for my reaction.

 

[Jman8]

No need to be ashamed of it, but, just like smoking (or blowing bubbles with chewing gum, or anything else that affects those around us, whether it be audibly or visually or ummm... smell-ually? haha) just show a little common courtesy.

I think part of that courtesy is putting yourself in the other person's shoes. Even acknowledging what that perception is like. I know myself, as I've been non-smoker (after being PAD smoker) for a good 8 years. I can relate to that perception. So, if someone were concerned, but say not zealous or fake coughing type stuff, I'd acknowledge what I judge to be their perception in the situation.

But then I'd really really desire to educate them with what I feel is both accurate and what I honestly am aware of with eCig issues. I'd like to update their perception on things. Or at very least plant a seed for them to consider another way of seeing what vaping is about.

Ultimately in that situation, if person is coming from what I judge to be genuine, not overly antagonistic position, I'm going to stop vaping around them, and respect their wishes.

I don't really need to vape anywhere.
Even while I do desire to vape everywhere.

And in current political scenario, I'm sticking to position of vape everywhere.

 

[Jay-dub]

Higher Temperature=Longer VLP (not as confident of this one as the others)

I'd support this hypothesis since warmer air can typically hold more moisture. I can say at work, where I don't have a humidifier running, the vapor dissipates quicker than at home where it's running constantly. So, at home it tends to linger longer. But then again, the workspace is larger and therefore has a larger volume of air for the vapor to dissipate into. I go outside and dissipation is immediate. I go home and my living room looks like the final moments of a Great White concert. (Too soon?)

 

[scabbytattoo]

If we all hide what we are doing isn't that just admitting that everyone else is right and that we should be ashamed of it? I vape every where I can unless someone says he could you knock that off then by all means I "might" stop. I'm not one to try to be all in peoples faces with my vape but if i wanna take a hit i will no matter where I am. I see my huge plumes of vape as a huge billboard saying "hey ask me what i'm doing over here" it always starts a dialog, heck I've turned strangers into fellow vape heads just by walking around town with my mod. now please dont hate me I'm not saying anyone is wrong vape how you like if you don't like people looking at you then hide it, if you feel your doing nothing wrong the hold your head up high and vape proud.

 

[diggyb]

I lost two friends at that show. (but I don't take offense to the comparison)

 

[Jay-dub]

Can't vape now. Foot in mouth.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Yeah, I agree, although I think the VLP is a function of humidity more than just sensible temperature. In any case, a properly ventilated space could handle a dozen vapers without any difficulty or lingering cloudiness.

I have tested this by simply running my HVAC at home in three modes.

1) Fan Auto (fan only runs when there is a need to heat or cool) - In this mode, the vapor lingers in my man cave for quite some time. My man cave is perhaps 15 feet wide by 25 feet long, with a ten foot ceiling. This is a large space, but the air quickly gets "saturated" with vapor and it lingers.

2) Fan ON (fan runs all the time, heat or cooling is energized only when stat calls) - In this mode, the vapor dissipates fairly quickly. Even if several vapers are in the cave, we cannot get it fogged up. The air is being 'exchanged' frequently and is also in a constant flow pattern.

3) Fan in economizer (fan brings in 100% outside air and relieves the air from the space to outside) - In this mode the vapor dissipates almost immediately. No scent of it even remains for long. It is impossible to tell someone has vaped there within 15 seconds of the last puff.