Who here is not stocking up in preparation for the May 12th, 2020 Deadline?

[DaveP]

DIY juice is easy, rebuilding coils is also easy. So if that is stopping anyone from stocking, rethink that part. It is not hard, just takes a bit of practice. One of my fav DIY is Apple Pie you just add it to your base, so easy. I just add it to my needle nose bottle, add base shake & vape. No extra equipment needed.

Agree. Making DIY juice is about as simple as making chocolate milk. Add the chocolate syrup to the milk, stir, and there you have it. Add Vanilla and or Malt if you like.

Simple juices are just the right mix of PG, VG, and flavor if you like simple flavored juices. If you mix unflavored in larger batches all you have to do is add flavor(s) to a small bottle of the unflavored mix in proportion. It's not so hard at the basic mix levels.

DIY can be as easy as marking lines on a beaker for PG and VG, then adding the correct number of drops of flavor and nicotine before mixing with a battery powered stirrer. Or, if you so desire, buy a $25 set of electric/battery powered kitchen scales, put the bottle on the scale, and add ingredients from one of the many posted recipes. Money saved and you get to tailor your mix to your own taste.

 

[BigPappa]

...before mixing with a battery powered stirrer.

Shaking in the bottle is cheaper.

 

[DaveP]

Shaking in the bottle is cheaper.

Been there, done that! I bought a battery powered stirrer years ago and I usually use it when I diy. Shaking is probably just as good, but the stirrer whips it into tiny bubbles that slowly float up and break. Time to vape ready is about the same. I think it still has the same battery in it after several years of DIY.

 

[BigPappa]

Actually... They Don't.

The TCA gave the FDA broad regulatory powers, but it Did Not give unlimited power to the FDA over Tobacco Products.

From the FDA's own website...

The Tobacco Control Act does not:

The law makes clear that FDA's role is to regulate and protect the public health, but it places a few restrictions on FDA's powers. FDA cannot:

• Require prescriptions to purchase tobacco products.
• Require the reduction of nicotine yields to zero.
• Ban face-to-face sales in a particular category of retail outlets.
• Ban certain classes of tobacco products.

Overview of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act

Now this is not to say that the FDA Can't exert it's Authority to keep Tobacco Products from reaching the Market. (That was the Purpose of the TCA.) But it needs to use the procedures which it created to do so.

Make No Mistake, I have about Zero Confidence that a Stand Alone bottled e-liquid can achieve a PMTA. But the FDA had to give Stakeholders a time frame to submit a PMTA if they choose. And that is where we are at the End of.

That's all well and fine, and it may make some people feel all warm and fuzzy inside... but the reality of it all is that technically anything vape related is a "new" product being introduced to the market and the FDA has total control over what PMTAs get passed. That's what I mean when I say full and complete authority. It's not up for a vote, there is no debate, it just boils down to them doing whatever they feel like doing. The most frustrating thing is that we really have no idea where they stand.

 

[zoiDman]

That's all well and fine, and it may make some people feel all warm and fuzzy inside... but the reality of it all is that technically anything vape related is a "new" product being introduced to the market and the FDA has total control over what PMTAs get passed. That's what I mean when I say full and complete authority. It's not up for a vote, there is no debate, it just boils down to them doing whatever they feel like doing. The most frustrating thing is that we really have no idea where they stand.

No one is say'n that the FDA Doesn't have almost 100% control of the PMTA process. But that is somewhat of a Walk-Back from saying that the FDA has complete control over the Tobacco Market.

I think if you would Re-Read the Limitations of the TCA Authority that congress granted to the FDA, you would see that it is these Limitations that will guarantee that some e-Cigarettes will survive.

Not Exactly a Market most would like to see. But at Least Not one where the FDA has Complete Control over Tobacco Products.

 

[BigPappa]

No one is say'n that the FDA Doesn't have almost 100% control of the PMTA process. But that is somewhat of a Walk-Back from saying that the FDA has complete control over the Tobacco Market.

I think if you would Re-Read the Limitations of the TCA Authority that congress granted to the FDA, you would see that it is these Limitations that will guarantee that some e-Cigarettes will survive.

Not Exactly a Market most would like to see. But at Least Not one where the FDA has Complete Control over Tobacco Products.

They have complete control over what will survive though... lol And I am betting it will be useless overpriced garbage.

 

[zoiDman]

... And I am betting it will be useless overpriced garbage.

Compared to what Most people use... I Don't think there is much Argument there.

 

[markfm]

I'm not worried, since I found the location of one of the Rossum vape caches...

 

[440BB]

I'm not worried, since I found the location of one of the Rossum vape caches...

What about the caves on every continent lined with nic freezers?

Here's the only know picture of Rossum leaving one of the backup ice caves.

 

[markfm]

He went all in on the cave security system...

 

[smacuser]

 

[rob33]

I am guessing you vape 0mg, but what about all of us that use nic??

All you got to do is take the time to read this, and you'll be fine.

FDA finalizes enforcement policy on unauthorized flavored cartridge-based e-cigarettes that appeal to children, including fruit and mint

 

[BigPappa]

All you got to do is take the time to read this, and you'll be fine.

FDA finalizes enforcement policy on unauthorized flavored cartridge-based e-cigarettes that appeal to children, including fruit and mint

What does that have to do with anything? Now you have me confused. Lol

 

[Rossum]

All you got to do is take the time to read this, and you'll be fine.

FDA finalizes enforcement policy on unauthorized flavored cartridge-based e-cigarettes that appeal to children, including fruit and mint

You have to read quite a ways down, but when you get there, you will find:

The guidance also states that, after May 12, 2020, the FDA intends to also prioritize enforcement against any ENDS products that continue to be sold and for which the manufacturers have not submitted a premarket application.

That means they'll be enforcing against almost everything after May 12. So how exactly can you say that someone will be fine? Do you know for a fact that the manufacturers of the products that person uses will be submitting PMTAs for those products?

 

[bnrkwest]

Stock up now, time is running out

 

[ENAUD]

Soooooo funny, a thread about folks not stalking up, filled with posts from folks who are stocked to the gills...

 

[Don29palms]

Soooooo funny, a thread about folks not stalking up, filled with posts from folks who are stocked to the gills...

I don't think anyone is stalking anything other than good deals.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I don't think anyone is stalking anything other than good deals.

Well, except for the non-stalkers

 

[ENAUD]

I don't think anyone is stalking anything other than good deals.

Good catch!!!

 

[Brewdawg1181]

$14.19 AV Able XL Styled 18650 Mechanical Mod - brass / 1*18650 at FastTech - Free Shipping
I would get something like this. You can lock the fire button so you can put it in your pocket. With deliveries from China being sketchy right now it's rough. I have one similar to this one and it's a decent little mod. It's important to know and follow the rules of a mech mod but it's not that tough.

Thanks, Don - I put one of these in my FT cart, that I haven't submitted yet. But I saw these at Bettervapes for $9.99 and grabbed one, and it was just delivered. I have no idea if it's any good, but I figured eHPro has a decent name out there, and Nemesis is a mech name I recognized, so I figured the design would at least be ok.

One thing that bugs me is I don't see obvious venting at the bottom, but the bottom cap/fire button looks to be designed to allow venting, so I hope this is a safe design?

Now I'm left to wonder how to build for a mech to get a similar vape to what I get now. I MTL with SS316L, 28ga, 2mm, 7 wraps, about 0.58 ohms, and usually vape 8-10W depending on the mod, and have Samsung 25R batteries.

Anybody have suggestions on where to start with a build to get a similar vape on a mech? I'm also thinking about getting 18350's since I like small mods.