Ouch! Guess that would fall under irrational actions! Going to assume this was for premade e-juice and DIY did not fall under the same law. Or perhaps it wasn’t even considered.
Who here is not stocking up in preparation for the May 12th, 2020 Deadline?
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Ouch! Guess that would fall under irrational actions! Going to assume this was for premade e-juice and DIY did not fall under the same law. Or perhaps it wasn’t even considered.
That bill got tossed in federal court, although not for that specific clause. It was more the whole thing was an insider money grab by some politicians in Indiana looking to have only their family members hold sales and mixing permits. Apparently just because the governor who signed it became the VP by then didn’t seem to offer it any protection in court.
The conclusion of the vaping community at the time was that "manufacture" covered anyone mixing juice. They may not have intended it that way, and might not have planned to enforce it that way, but the language of the bill clearly did cover someone making juice at home.
I posted that excerpt as an example of the type of language States could use if they did want to clamp down on home mixers.
The only out in that type of legislation that gives home users an out are "for sale" "to sell" wording.
Yeah. We argued endlessly in Indiana about the position of the last coma in subsection a). Did "for purpose of sale" at the end of the sentence apply to all the proceeding clauses in that section? That's the kind of sentence lawyers could get rich debating.
I don't remember what the exact wording is but there are laws that get thrown out for not being clear as to the intent of the law.
If a law is found to be vague it may become unenforceable. The lawyers have a legal way to say it, but yeah, that’s pretty much the case. If it’s not clear and vague and nonspecific then it can be tossed out. Of course it has to be amazingly vague to meet that standard given how vague lawyers are in general.
It was an issue back in the initial deeming regs and then some of the congressional amendments flying around in 2016 where they kept talking about battery rules and it made no sense as we were thinking of batteries as, well, batteries, like an 18650. What they sorta meant was the mod itself was the battery. There was no common language to even describe the products being regulated that made things so utterly ridiculous. Unfortunately the follow up regs released the last few months cleaned that up quite a bit so now they know the difference between a tank, a pod, a mod, nicotine e liquid. Sorta. They still get things confused like the ban on prefilled flavor pods but ok for store bought e juice to remain in vape shops with flavors. Someone forgot to mention the increasingly large number of refillable pod mod systems out there.
Maybe I should shut up now before someone notices.
Kind of brings to mind the the arguments over the comma in the 2nd Amendment! (I believe it means the same thing with or without).
Does anyone have any articles bookmarked on this subject? Lately it seems like you only see vaping stuff in the news that’s related to those tainted THC cartridges that gave us so much unnecessary/unwarranted bad press. I’m just wondering why I never see mainstream media articles on these looming regs that will no doubt impact thousands of business owners
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I do agree its best not to try to get DIY to taste the same as commercial but it can be a fun challenge to try. If one wants to try and duplicate a commercial E-Liquid they need to use flavors from the same source as the maker of the E-Liquid does and get the % of each and overall flavor % the same. This was a lot easier back in 2010 than now as there are so many flavor makers now. For those having issues being satisfied with DIY try getting flavors from several different sources and play around with mix %s and % flavor. A trick I used to do is heat some water and then put my sample mix and allow water to cool. This seemed to speed up steeping process along with lots of shaking so you do not have to wait days to try it.
We know now vaping cinnamon is not a good idea but back in 2010 I loved Tastyvapor's atomic cinicide which tasted like Red Hot candy. I bought 2 different cinnamon flavors I thought he used and played around with % of each and % flavor and I was able to get my DIY stuff to taste like his. I guessed who he got his flavors from and guessed right on the rest because I was able to nail it. If I wanted to nail his Kretek/clove liquid, for example, it would be a lot harder as it is a much more complex mix. I tried and got close but not exact. It is not one I would vape now because it does contain clove oil.
Apart from saying that black market's existence is reason why some may not stock up, the other thing I've been harping on is that possession or mixing at home could become an issue down the road. As the Indiana bill that never made it to law was trying to accomplish. Other than the most ANTZ oriented areas in the US, I don't see any state trying that in 2020. But I do see states (at least one) trying that by 2025, and sooner if Pubs are in less control of federal government. To be clear, I think both parties will attempt such bills in several states, by 2025.
I most definitely hope all such bills fail. And I also hope that for as long as the current de facto ban is in place that an underground market thrives.
I most definitely hope all such bills fail. And I also hope that for as long as the current de facto ban is in place that an underground market thrives.
Even if the Indiana law would have passed it wouldn't have prevented DIY for personal use. It would have made it illegal to sell or manufacture for sale.
You really should either learn english or have someone explain this stuff to you in your langusge.
Why the personal attack? The entirely, and undeniably inaccurate attack. Just wondering.
But pleased to see you put up a red x and actually have the integrity to quote my post and respond to it. I'd give you a (red) star for that, if I could.
Anyway, there are others on this thread that have stated that's how it was interpreted by the vaping community. But, if you wanna say it's just me, that's fine. I find that funny.
There's also others who have said another state may try to do just that in the future. Which is a point I agree with. They may go for that. I hope it fails in committee, and if not there, then on the floor, and if not there, then in court. But even if they magically succeeded on those fronts, they'd still fail in the war they'd be waging. So, on that point, we agree, that even if the law passes that seeks to prevent DIY for personal use, or really any use, it would fail.
(I can't wait for the red x to this post)
You keep insisting on proving you have no clue what you're talking about. The law was about SALES.
There was no personal attacks. Facts are not personal. They are just facts.
I just caught the misspelling on language in your attack, which makes it even more funny on hindsight.
Anyway, the proposed legislation was not only about sales, but what's the point of the debate at this point? For you to establish your superiority over my intellect? I'm calling it like I see it, with regards to future of legal vaping. I say the writing is on the wall. I may revisit this thread in the future if the "see I told you so" arises. But for now, I'm quite content with how I've worded everything in my posts. Not going to be silent going forward, but debating you has grown old.
Anyway, the proposed legislation was not only about sales, but what's the point of the debate at this point? For you to establish your superiority over my intellect? I'm calling it like I see it, with regards to future of legal vaping. I say the writing is on the wall. I may revisit this thread in the future if the "see I told you so" arises. But for now, I'm quite content with how I've worded everything in my posts. Not going to be silent going forward, but debating you has grown old.
What I've been pointing out is your lack of intellect and you keep on proving my point.
If it ever gets to the point that we're going to be arrested for what we are doing in our own homes, then we've got more problems than just making our own juice. What probable cause would they even have for coming into our homes? And how many millions of police officers would it take to do that along with all their other duties? This is getting a little ridiculous.
Well if you tell other people about your stash, and your stash happens to be over what state considers amount for personal use, that could lead to them wanting to investigate your house, for the stash. It would be legally challenging for them, but given an atmosphere against vaping, it could be demanded by the public.
To be clear, I really hope it doesn't happen.
They wouldn't need extra law enforcement. It would get ridiculous if they tried to go after everyone. If that's what anyone is taking away from what I'm conveying, I'm sorry, but you've been misinterpreting what I'm saying and/or see happening. One or two busts locally would be enough to change a whole lot of minds with regards to how people go about revealing themselves as a vaper, that is stocked up.
(If Don29palms agrees with everything I've said here, please put up a red x. Thank you.)
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