Who here is not stocking up in preparation for the May 12th, 2020 Deadline?
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Not that it matters but I believe the Indiana law was theoretically in effect for a short period of time. It was already in trouble by then and was quietly withdrawn. It was enough to cause a bunch of vaping shops to close down in anticipation though. And some juice vendors stopped shipping here for a while.
It was fairly clear in the law that mixing juice for your own consumption with legally obtained ingredients was fine.
There was one interesting wrinkle that I never understood. During the period when vendors wouldn't ship juice to Indiana I contacted my nic vendor and asked if they were affected, they replied that it didn't impact them. I picked up a liter just because.
Oops.
Meant to pop in on the "Who here is not stocking up" thread.
Don't know how I ended up on the "THEY'RE COMING AFTER YOUR PERSONAL STASH!!! (and random opinions on what constitutes a black market)" thread. Again.
<leaves, mumbling something about Dunning-Kruger effect being way too real>
Meant to pop in on the "Who here is not stocking up" thread.
Don't know how I ended up on the "THEY'RE COMING AFTER YOUR PERSONAL STASH!!! (and random opinions on what constitutes a black market)" thread. Again.
<leaves, mumbling something about Dunning-Kruger effect being way too real>
The thing is VG and PG and flavors are used in so many other applications. I use them for other things all the time. And nic is a pesticide too.
I'm pretty sure a bunch closed down but it's been a long time. I saved the link to a long article in the Indiana Business Journal about the whole mess.
E-cigarette players fume over favored security firm - Indianapolis Business Journal
Only one shop is mentioned by name. The owner said he was planning to close down, but right after this the law was withdrawn. I googled the name and it appears to still be operating.
The main problem for shops was that the 4 approved juice makers in Indiana were going to be charging shops significantly more for juice, to cover the expenses of complying with the law. And because they had a monopoly so they could. Plus they would lose access to all the recognized national juice names that people were used to buying.
This is just more proof that when government gets involved with anything it never turns out well. When taxes and fees become to high the business closes and all the taxes and fees are lost.
Then argue the point. Stop it with the personal attacks, Don. Sheesh.
This proposed regulation furthers this legislative objective by prohibiting the possession, manufacture, distribution, sale or offer for sale of flavored electronicliquids (e-liquids) to discourage electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) use.
(Emphasis in bold is mine.)
Source: https://docs.dos.ny.gov/info/register/2018/november7/rulemaking.pdf
This proposed regulation furthers this legislative objective by prohibiting the possession, manufacture, distribution, sale or offer for sale of flavored electronicliquids (e-liquids) to discourage electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) use.
(Emphasis in bold is mine.)
Source: https://docs.dos.ny.gov/info/register/2018/november7/rulemaking.pdf
Rules and regulations are easy to propose, especially on a state level. Passing them is another story. That one in particular has as much chance of being enacted as my getting a free trip to Mars on Musk's dime. Or a paid for all inclusive weekend in the Caribbean with Grimes. And a free Tesla. (if forced to choose, obviously I'll take the weekend with Grimes and the Tesla, who wants to go to some dusty planet).
I never said it could be enacted. Rather, because I am a realist, I just debunked the false claim of it having never been proposed by anyone, as this is nevertheless relevant to the discussion about why some vapers aren't stocking up.
True. But water, corn, malted barley, yeast and even a still are also used for other purposes and can be legally acquired. But used together to make moonshine without a licence is illegal.
VG/PG and flavourings are used in other industries. Any regulations slap onto these products would most likely cause an uproar from those other industries. So probably not wise to regulate or licence these individual ingredients.
Nicotine is used in the pharmaceutical industry which will have its own set of regulations and licences. Wiki states nicotine pesticides have not been commercially available in the US since 2014. Foods imported from countries that allow nic pesticides are subjected to testing to ensure they comply to US regulations.
I have not been able to find any industry that uses nicotine in the processed form of a VG/PG base outside of vaping. If that is the case, then that finished product of nicotine can be regulated, licensed or even banned without affecting any other industry.
Canada and the EU have regulated this processed nicotine product. I am sure the US have looked into what other countries have done and possibly taking their actions under consideration.
Isn't it crazy how countries try to regulate us to death. Ack, it gets ridiculous.
The concern from the very beginning back in 2016 would be how easy it would be to require a license to purchase any nic solution of greater than x mg/ml with the assumption only the higher amounts would be used in industry (which won’t exist, but whatever) and not for retail sale. It’s already done for bulk alcohol purchases. You can’t just order up a tanker truck of 98% ethanol without a license.
How that’s not happened to date surprises me, but if and when it does I won’t be. It’s the natural choke point for DIY, which is why there’s more nic than food in my freezer. If it never happens, well, for $200 it still won’t go to waste when I use it for mixing anyway.
How that’s not happened to date surprises me, but if and when it does I won’t be. It’s the natural choke point for DIY, which is why there’s more nic than food in my freezer. If it never happens, well, for $200 it still won’t go to waste when I use it for mixing anyway.
I hate to further this line in the thread, but guess I have to issue a mea culpa. True, enough, I misstated that, thinking only nationally. Of course I didn't search every state & municipality that exists, but should've said that it's not being contemplated at the federal level.This proposed regulation furthers this legislative objective by prohibiting the possession, manufacture, distribution, sale or offer for sale of flavored electronicliquids (e-liquids) to discourage electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) use.
(Emphasis in bold is mine.)
Source: https://docs.dos.ny.gov/info/register/2018/november7/rulemaking.pdf
Still, that's just a nit...the larger point is still valid. Personal stashes are, and will be safe. And even if something like that passed in NY, I don't believe for a second that anyone stashing (not selling) would ever be at risk. Which is the whole point. This thread is not (or wasn't, anyway) about becoming a black market seller.
Thread jumped the shark way back, I only check in now to see if someone mentions Hitler.
Doh!
Dang it.
I disagree, this thread asks why not stocking up. Black market selling is bound to come up.
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