Who here is not stocking up in preparation for the May 12th, 2020 Deadline?

[dripster]

I'm lucky in that I am in Mississippi and we have a pretty strong lobby and have kept almost all those laws from going anywhere.

In addition, I am part of the team for Paradigm vape News and have been keeping up quite closely with all the states in the US and provinces in Canada and what laws, call to action, etc. are out there. They are getting crazy but many of these silly bills are being defeated. There are areas like New Jersey that have gotten it through but there is a bit of a change in the wind. We need some legislation and some regulation. We just need it to be sensible. As more advocates get that and push to guide regulation rather than deny all of it, I am seeing some shift.

We are far from out of the woods but our efforts are beginning to make a difference. Plus, let's face it...as time goes on, people in this country get bored of the latest crisis and begin ignoring it and so do the politicians. There is a lot of work to do but I see that the work is beginning to have some effect.

I prefer realistic hope to optimism but I'll accept either term to describe my stance.

...And besides, if things do go pear shaped you can still always decide to move to Mistersippi.

 

[Fidola13]

Agreed! My screwed up state of Florida has some really messed up stuff going on that looks like it is on track to pass, like an 85% tax and the banning of online sales.

Mass passed a 75% tax on vape products. The states want the tax money from cigarettes no matter who dies from it.

 

[QcVaper]

To answer the title, I.
I'm canadian so these bs laws don't concern me directly, Although , when it does come to canada (because it will that much i'm sure), i'll most likely stop vaping altogether.

Might be sad but, but i have absolutely no interest in DIY my juice nor will i ever, and without flavor vaping is kinda dead to me.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Might be sad but, but i have absolutely no interest in DIY my juice nor will i ever, and without flavor vaping is kinda dead to me.

DIY isn't as big a deal as some people make it out to be. Of course, the simpler the flavors you vape, the easier it gets.

But if you'd rather quit and you know you can do it, by all means, quit. There is nothing wrong with that. Straight-edge is the best way to go.

 

[BigPappa]

But if you'd rather quit and you know you can do it, by all means, quit. There is nothing wrong with that.

Unless your way of quitting vaping is by going back to cigarettes (which sadly will be what most people will do).

 

[rob33]

Come on guys this ain't going to be a big deal. Have ECF dig out those forums back in 2007 to 2009 we were making most everything all you needed was a battery. As far as flavors just make it yourself, even if you slept through chemistry class they have online calculators for you. Don't sweat it, in my 11 or so years of vaping give me a dollar for every one of these threads and I'd be on a warm tropical island, and you'll still be enjoying vaping after 12 May.

 

[Rossum]

Unless your way of quitting vaping is by going back to cigarettes (which sadly will be what most people will do).

That's exactly why I'm fully stocked. Even after all these years, I'm not particularly confident that I wouldn't go back to smoking if I wasn't able to vape.

 

[BigPappa]

Come on guys this ain't going to be a big deal. Have ECF dig out those forums back in 2007 to 2009 we were making most everything all you needed was a battery. As far as flavors just make it yourself, even if you slept through chemistry class they have online calculators for you. Don't sweat it, in my 11 or so years of vaping give me a dollar for every one of these threads and I'd be on a warm tropical island, and you'll still be enjoying vaping after 12 May.

I am guessing you vape 0mg, but what about all of us that use nic??

 

[Myrany]

As I have said Since 2013 the Nic IS the choke point. I was really shocked that the Government did not shut down Nic sales years ago. Mods and attys can be improvised. Nic not so much.

I find myself wondering (puts on tin foil hat) if the government really doesn't want to shut us down. They want to profit off us more than they do off of cigs. Scare us so bad with shutdown that vapers roll over and take any bad deal we are handed to keep vaping the same way smokers rolled over for years. (Takes off tin foil hat)

Realistically killing nic sales to individuals is all they had to do to shut the industry down. So why didn't they?

 

[optsmk]

I'm not stocking up, and if things dry up around here, I'll probably just quit altogether. But I do find it annoying that these days the answer to stopping kids from vaping is to ban it. I was always taught that children need to be taught right from wrong from their parents. I guess I was wrong. Oh well.

But when I was a kid, there was just as many teens turning to smoking. I don't remember smoking being banned. In fact, they even wrote a song about it but still no ban. He'll, I even got kicked off the varsity swim team just because I got ratted on for hanging out with some kids who were smoking. But that's a whole other story. But cigs were not banned.

After May 12th we'll see what ecigs are still on the market. The companies who make the ecigs are more than likely in part responsible for the forced FDA approval process. But you can be sure that not all ecigs will be banned. And you can be .......n sure that the amount of teens who vape will not be reduced. They'll just be fewer companies making a profit.

 

[ChelsB]

As I have said Since 2013 the Nic IS the choke point. I was really shocked that the Government did not shut down Nic sales years ago. Mods and attys can be improvised. Nic not so much.

I find myself wondering (puts on tin foil hat) if the government really doesn't want to shut us down. They want to profit off us more than they do off of cigs. Scare us so bad with shutdown that vapers roll over and take any bad deal we are handed to keep vaping the same way smokers rolled over for years. (Takes off tin foil hat)

Realistically killing nic sales to individuals is all they had to do to shut the industry down. So why didn't they?

That’s an interesting point. I never thought of it like that

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Unless your way of quitting vaping is by going back to cigarettes (which sadly will be what most people will do).

That's why the last sentence in my quote says...

"Straight-edge is the best way to go."

 

[zoiDman]

As I have said Since 2013 the Nic IS the choke point. I was really shocked that the Government did not shut down Nic sales years ago. Mods and attys can be improvised. Nic not so much.

I find myself wondering (puts on tin foil hat) if the government really doesn't want to shut us down. They want to profit off us more than they do off of cigs. Scare us so bad with shutdown that vapers roll over and take any bad deal we are handed to keep vaping the same way smokers rolled over for years. (Takes off tin foil hat)

Realistically killing nic sales to individuals is all they had to do to shut the industry down. So why didn't they?

Of course the Feds Don't want to shut down e-Cigarettes completely. You Can't Tax something that Isn't Legal to Sell.

But the Question/Choice was Never a Binary One. ie: Complete Ban vs Complete Free Market.

What the Feds want is a Handful of OEM's selling Closed System, Non-Refillable e-Cigarettes. Then Tax the Living Snit out of them.

And if people use them, Great. More Power to them.

And if People Don't, and Smoke instead, so what?

 

[Myrany]

Of course the Feds Don't want to shut down e-Cigarettes completely. You Can't Tax something that Isn't Legal to Sell.

But the Question/Choice was Never a Binary One. ie: Complete Ban vs Complete Free Market.

What the Feds want is a Handful of OEM's selling Closed System, Non-Refillable e-Cigarettes. Then Tax the Living Snit out of them.

And if people use them, Great. More Power to them.

And if People Don't, and Smoke instead, so what?

Ok but if you notice what I said. If they killed nic sales to individuals they could have shut it all down in the early days. If they did it now it is still to their advantage since the vapers would be forced to those very highly taxed systems. No doubt only those approved sellers would be able to purchase the nic. So I say again why haven't they shut down Nic sales to individuals?

 

[bnrkwest]

DIY juice is easy, rebuilding coils is also easy. So if that is stopping anyone from stocking, rethink that part. It is not hard, just takes a bit of practice. One of my fav DIY is Apple Pie you just add it to your base, so easy. I just add it to my needle nose bottle, add base shake & vape. No extra equipment needed.

 

[dripster]

As I have said Since 2013 the Nic IS the choke point. I was really shocked that the Government did not shut down Nic sales years ago. Mods and attys can be improvised. Nic not so much.

I find myself wondering (puts on tin foil hat) if the government really doesn't want to shut us down. They want to profit off us more than they do off of cigs. Scare us so bad with shutdown that vapers roll over and take any bad deal we are handed to keep vaping the same way smokers rolled over for years. (Takes off tin foil hat)

Realistically killing nic sales to individuals is all they had to do to shut the industry down. So why didn't they?

I'm pretty convinced all the various reasons are among these ones:
PTypes - The Neurotic Needs According to Karen Horney

 

[zoiDman]

... So I say again why haven't they shut down Nic sales to individuals?

They Don't want to Crash the Market. Because that would just create a Vacuum for the Black Market to fill.

Also there is the small issue of under what Authority would the FDA Use to do it?

 

[BigPappa]

Also there is the small issue of under what Authority would the FDA Use to do it?

The FDA has full and complete authority over it.... thankfully DIY'ers are not high on their priority list, for now at least.

 

[BigPappa]

So I say again why haven't they shut down Nic sales to individuals?

DIY'ers are such a small percentage of users... They are not focusing on us for the time being. But that will all change come May anyway.

 

[zoiDman]

The FDA has full and complete authority over it...

Actually... They Don't.

The TCA gave the FDA broad regulatory powers, but it Did Not give unlimited power to the FDA over Tobacco Products.

From the FDA's own website...

The Tobacco Control Act does not:

The law makes clear that FDA's role is to regulate and protect the public health, but it places a few restrictions on FDA's powers. FDA cannot:

• Require prescriptions to purchase tobacco products.
• Require the reduction of nicotine yields to zero.
• Ban face-to-face sales in a particular category of retail outlets.
• Ban certain classes of tobacco products.

Overview of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act

Now this is not to say that the FDA Can't exert it's Authority to keep Tobacco Products from reaching the Market. (That was the Purpose of the TCA.) But it needs to use the procedures which it created to do so.

Make No Mistake, I have about Zero Confidence that a Stand Alone bottled e-liquid can achieve a PMTA. But the FDA had to give Stakeholders a time frame to submit a PMTA if they choose. And that is where we are at the End of.