People who are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of anything scare me to death, and annoy me to death -- they're demigogues in waiting. It's like their tiny minds just can't encompass any type of uncertainty. They would detest Heisenberg.
Andria
Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!
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People who are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of anything scare me to death, and annoy me to death -- they're demigogues in waiting. It's like their tiny minds just can't encompass any type of uncertainty. They would detest Heisenberg.
Andria
if in fact non tobacco users show no dependency to nicotine all the
ensnaring new addicts politics goes out the window regardless from
which camp its coming from.
new users starting with vaping becomes a non-issue. its off the
table. this is very important as it removes one the key arguments
being used against us vapers in the ANTZ's crusade to regulate
and tax us like smokers.
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mike
I would say this is the foundational argument for ANTZ, that nicotine is highly addictive. And it is a meme that our side doesn't readily dispute. Like, if ANTZ says only kids would appeal to certain flavors, we readily dispute that. But the nicotine is highly addictive claim is one we are often like, 'yeah, you nailed me on that one.'
IMO, you have to want to be a somewhat regular user to become addicted. And even then, when compared to most other addictions the degree of harm/problems seem very low. Not so low if everything ANTZ says is true, and extremely low if everything ANTZ says is a lie.
One puff is not all it takes to develop this dependence. Likely 10 puffs and it would be not addicted. But to go from zero puffs to 10 puffs takes choice(s). And arguably, not real simple choices. I'm guessing most people that smoke, on first (real) puff are coughing a little, to a lot. Their decision for a second puff is not because nicotine is addictive, but because despite coughing fit they just experienced, they are still curious enough to pursue what is so appealing about this. And to deny this within the equation is IMO, to believe a whole bunch of ANTZ rhetoric regarding 'nicotine' and 'addiction.'
Moreover, many hard core smokers who may readily claim dependence are making a whole bunch of choices daily around their use of cigarettes, and choosing moments where whatever else is going on (i.e. work) is more important than feeding their (alleged) dependence. Hard core vapers, in both my experience and the abundance of data I find online, make similar choices and often it seems far easier than what the average smoker is experiencing. I think most hard core vapers would say the shopping addiction (for vape stuff) is way higher than the nicotine addiction that they may, or may not, experience.
And we already know that if they can tax the heck out of items that contain zero nicotine, like literally almost all of our devices, that they will. Thus, not really really about the addiction aspect, but about using that as a ploy to justify, hopefully without question, the move to higher taxation on this specific set of goods, for the public good.
Isn't it WHO that classifies as an smoker someone that has, in his lifetime, smoked 200 cigarettes?
Maybe that's the number of cigarettes needed to get 'hooked' or brain chemistry rewired so nicotine becomes addictive to us, ex-smokers?
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Tony
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Maybe that's the number of cigarettes needed to get 'hooked' or brain chemistry rewired so nicotine becomes addictive to us, ex-smokers?
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Well I was 15 hanging out in the bushes behind my school with my mates. No way I was going to admit I was too much of a weeny to handle it. Coughing and choking is part of the initiation rite. It's so long ago I have no memory at all of how it went after that. Like when I went from smoking with the guys, to smoking on my own, to where I actually felt pain if I couldn't light one up. I know that time came though. Most smokers seem to start fairly young, before the impulse control part of the brain is fully developed. That must be part of the story.
If nicotine isn't addictive on its own then that trajectory would be different with vaping. Kids might start to vape because it's cool, but then never reach the point where not vaping is not an option. And then go on to not smoke or vape.
I would estimate that I've smoked around 200 cigarettes in the last 9 months, and as one who does recognize that I have had an addiction to smoking in my past, I would say that I am not currently addicted to smoking. If there are any tests anyone wishes to run, I'd be very willing to take them.
speaking of ANTZ arguments this will be a bitter pill for them to swallow.
Study: E-Cigs Less Addictive Than Tobacco Cigarettes | Ecig Advanced News
regards
mike
Study: E-Cigs Less Addictive Than Tobacco Cigarettes | Ecig Advanced News
regards
mike
This is the major reason I am so adamant that refusing to let minors use e-cigs is so utterly stupid -- they (smoking or vaping) simply cannot be compared in terms of health risk, NOR in addictive potential.
Andria
I think the whole smoking process is both addictive (nic) and habitual (hand-to-mouth). Vaping at least gives you the option to select the amount of nic you inhale. I'm not aware of any replacement process to satisfy the hand-to-mouth habit. It seems to come hand-in-hand with both smoking and vaping - the latter being the less harmful of the two.
I also think that anyone who claims that nic is not addictive is, in your words, in denial. It probably contradicts the reason a person takes up vaping in the first place. It simply allows me to continue both my addiction and my habit without the nagging health threat smoking tobacco poses.
I am a conscient nic addict who also needs to satisfy the urge to inhale.
Probably always will be.
i'm sure nic is very addictive. but for me it's not just nic that hooked me to cig for all those yrs. if it was just nic, patches and gums and other should have worked. i think it's also physical addiction of the ritual that goes with smoking. time of the day when i smoke.. when i'm stressed.. the act of inhaling and exhaling.. unlike the gum and things, vaping has all those that replace what i was doing with smoking minus all the tars, chemicals, and tobacco.
i am looking.
here's a more in depth article from Penn State.
E-cigarettes less addictive than cigarettes | Penn State University
regards
mike
Perhaps, but I've asked anyone to name substances that are not addictive. As there are zero responses (pointing out substances that are not addictive) so far to this, then arguably everyone on the planet is in denial unless they claim something along lines of, "as you are likely addicted to nicotine, I too am addicted to something that I enjoy. Hey, we are a lot alike!"
I think most people make wayyyyyyyyy too much out of the whole addiction thing. I mean, so you're addicted... so what?????? who cares?????????? what difference does it make to anything??????????? It is NOT a "character defect" to be addicted to something!
Sheesh.
Andria
Sheesh.
Andria
And, how's it anyone else's concern if I'm addicted to something. I'm happily addicted to caffeine, and I won't apologize for it, either.
I'm addicted to sleeping late, reading lots of books, and tea -- and yeah, that stuff I'm vaping. Not just nicotine -- I got the WHOLE shebang! I'm ok with that. My husband is ok with it too, and since he's the guy who's paying for it, I'd say his opinion counts a lot more than some "public health" nanny idiots. 
So many people seem to need someone's PERMISSION just to live their lives!
Andria
Not just nicotine -- I got the WHOLE shebang! I'm ok with that. My husband is ok with it too, and since he's the guy who's paying for it, I'd say his opinion counts a lot more than some "public health" nanny idiots. So many people seem to need someone's PERMISSION just to live their lives! Andria
Oh, the whining about "addiction" again? *yawn* - And always from the people who are addicted to criticizing others and playing "holier-than-thou". *double yawn*
You stop your finger pointing, and I'll stop my yawning. Deal?
Now now, no denial please. Those holier-than-thou finger pointers know exactly who they are...
By the way, anyone here addicted to Oreos?
Or maybe not?
You stop your finger pointing, and I'll stop my yawning. Deal?
Now now, no denial please. Those holier-than-thou finger pointers know exactly who they are...
By the way, anyone here addicted to Oreos?
Or maybe not?
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