Please, don't vape where you can't smoke

[Haytoni]

Being politically independent, and a conservative, I also, agree with the NO Smoking Rule, be applied to a mod ...........was always told, when in Rome do as the Romans do, thus I do not vape in NO SMOKING areas, ever. Plus it saves money when you think about it, less wear and tear on our precious mods, conserves on that delightful E-juice that we have become addicted to. So I say go with the flow. Hell it is a lot easier.

 

[Rockalot]

Generally speaking, when a person asks me not to vape around them they are demonstrating their ignorance or lack of education regarding what vaping is.

At that point I can either be inconvenienced and allow them to remain ill-informed.... or take it as an opportunity to educate them. I invariably go with the latter.

It's an uphill battle teaching "the world" about PV's. Without the help of mass media... we probably have to do it one person at a time.

Agreed 100%

It seems there are fellow vapers that need this info as well. When we don't stand up for our rights they disappear and it seems some want to give our right to vape in public away willingly before we are even asked to.

As an ex smoker I have grown weary of being pushed into alleyways stairwells and all the rotten windy, rainy places us smokers have spent too much time in and I'm not going back. Please don't tell me where to vape unless you own the place.

I will only give my business to vape friendly establishments and people actually willing to listen.

 

[kristin]

Originally Posted by dawhoo
It's not the same thing, but it's similar in a way to a toy gun. We know they're way safer than the real thing, but when in public, you don't pull out a toy gun and act like it's a real gun. It freaks people out.

Convincing, but way off. What reason would someone need to have a toy gun in public?

If you vape out by the smokers, you are sending a clear message: "Vaping is as dangerous and deadly as smoking and that is why I am out here with the smokers."

Is that really the message you want to send?

Vapers today are trailblazers and have a responsibility to be advocates for vaping for those who follow behind us. Remember - thousands of teens pic up an analog for the first time every day.

1. An offense is the best defense. If you show the server and manager your ecig and explain it, you show them respect and they will most likely defend you if anyone else complains. If you just start vaping and wait until someone complains, you will be on the defense with management and they most likely won't support you.

2. Use a device that doesn't look like an analog. The less it does, the greater your chance of acceptance. I chuckle at the newbies talking about how they want it to look as much like an analog as possible - talk to me in a month, lol!

3. Take every situation on it's own merit. If you've been requested by the OWNER/MANAGEMENT not to vape, respect that decision. But explain that you will be leaving (don't go vape outside) and that they may want to consider allowing it in the future, especially with the indoor bans on smoking. It could be a plus for their business. Tell them that you, and the other thousands of people who will switch to vaping, will take your business to vape-friendly establishments. (This is, of course, if your municipality hasn't already banned indoor vaping.)

On that same note, consider your location. If you are surrounded by kids, you may want to think twice. Not because of the vapor, but because you are a role model. A bunch of kids don't need to see you inhaling a foreign substance into your body. As much as it is better than smoking, it's not exactly a positive message and they don't know the difference. So, be considerate about it. Same if you are in a small, closed space. Just as you wouldn't want to smell someone's BO or perfume, they shouldn't have to be exposed to your vapor. Don't invade other people's personal space.

Vapers need to be seen as considerate and acceptable. If we are on our best behavior, yet attempting to educate those around us, we all win. So, don't just resign yourself to hiding out with the smokers, but don't be obnoxiously assertive. Be proactive and get permission - it's the best way for acceptance. It's a fine line, but we need to do it to forward the cause.

 

[jestif]

i always go out to the smoking area.

 

[thaitee]

When I first got my e cig, I have to admit, I flaunted it. I brazenly would puff in a bar. It intrigued people more than it offended them. But now, I ask the establishment if it is ok. Every single place I have asked has been cool about it.
I don't vape in the grocery store, but if I do its in stealth mode and no one is on the same aisle as I am. I don't vape at school. Or work(I work in a smoke free hospital) unless it's in the ladies room. I vape in a dressing room at the mall. I don't openly vape around other people's children because I agree with another poster that said, some don't understand and are given the wrong message. While I explain it to my kids and they are happy I stopped smoking, I don't want to explain it to other kids, to a child it may seem like it's glamorous, and since it's not real smoking it's ok! They have no clue about nic levels and such. Plus, if I smoked inside an establishment they may think its ok to break the rules. Nah..not worth it to me. I can wait till I get outside.
I do vape when I am out at our local karaoke bar. In fact, I turned on 5 others to it! The karaoke host now vapes himself! Out of habit, I still go outside sometimes. We never smoked in our home, and on the bar patio I am out there with the smokers. Alot of them are curious and I love answering questions. But I have had some very rude comments as well. "Waste of money on a 100.00 cig", one guy even said "you won't catch me sucking on a metal d_ _ k!" Like he looked so suave smoking an analog, with his stained rotten teeth. Dumb ....

 

[blondeambition3]

I hate it - but I have to agree with you.

I used to vape more openly, but have changed my way of thinking, which is now in line with yours.

ditto! I NEVER vape where "no smoking" signs are posted....

It's real EASY to vape in the bathroom stall where no one can 'see' you...

 

[blondeambition3]

one guy even said "you won't catch me sucking on a metal d_ _ k!" Like he looked so suave smoking an analog, with his stained rotten teeth. Dumb ....

Next time I saw Him I'd say, "I see you're still sucking on a paper d_ _k!"

 

[(So) Jersey Girl]

NJ, being run by crooks and douchebags, has made it just as illegal to vape indoors as it is to smoke indoors. It's a $250 fine the first time, and it goes up from there. Not to say you can't still get away with it, but you have to be discrete. Link (remove spaces): www .nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/nj_put_limits_on_sale_of_eletr. html


Speaking of discrete, has anybody tried alternatives to PG and VG that don't produce visible vapor?

Hopefully that will change once the court rules that the FDA can't regulate them as drug delivery devices. The law specifically includes e-cigs in the ban solely on that basis. If they don't have the authority, the reason doesn't exist.

 

[513dvn]

i do constrution work,sometimes in sealed off areas in hospitals.if i can breath all that construction dust and not vape,this makes no sense to me.they also expect me to walk a 1/4 mile off of hospital property to vape in cold,or rainy conditions then they are nuts!I think it is sad that something that can save so many lives needs to be hidden.truthfully the only reason people have a problem whith them is because of the vapor. if the vapor was invisable no one would care,but would we vapors be satisfide whith no poof! probably not!

 

[513dvn]

When I first got my e cig, I have to admit, I flaunted it. I brazenly would puff in a bar. It intrigued people more than it offended them. But now, I ask the establishment if it is ok. Every single place I have asked has been cool about it.
I don't vape in the grocery store, but if I do its in stealth mode and no one is on the same aisle as I am. I don't vape at school. Or work(I work in a smoke free hospital) unless it's in the ladies room. I vape in a dressing room at the mall. I don't openly vape around other people's children because I agree with another poster that said, some don't understand and are given the wrong message. While I explain it to my kids and they are happy I stopped smoking, I don't want to explain it to other kids, to a child it may seem like it's glamorous, and since it's not real smoking it's ok! They have no clue about nic levels and such. Plus, if I smoked inside an establishment they may think its ok to break the rules. Nah..not worth it to me. I can wait till I get outside.
I do vape when I am out at our local karaoke bar. In fact, I turned on 5 others to it! The karaoke host now vapes himself! Out of habit, I still go outside sometimes. We never smoked in our home, and on the bar patio I am out there with the smokers. Alot of them are curious and I love answering questions. But I have had some very rude comments as well. "Waste of money on a 100.00 cig", one guy even said "you won't catch me sucking on a metal d_ _ k!" Like he looked so suave smoking an analog, with his stained rotten teeth. Dumb ....

i love when dumbass people think it costs more to vape!ha! ha!ha! who said ignorance is bliss?

 

[jaded]

Speaking of discrete, has anybody tried alternatives to PG and VG that don't produce visible vapor?

I have I call it my 808 lol. I don't get much vapor off it but it fills the need. I never call it a Ecig either always nicotine inhaler, I think I might get Nicotrol stickers made for my battery. If I have to go out to the smoking area I'm gonna just smoke. Unlike others I hate explaining it to multiple people over and over again. I vape at work(club with smoking ban) but do it discreetly and rarely does anyone comment on it. I only do it discreetly because I am security and people might think I am smoking and decide to light up, then I have to tell them to put it out and explain blah blah blah. Now when I am there drinking I use it openly and we allow other to vape freely. I even have them almost to the point of letting me start a business and sell them. My boss is really antismoking anyhow and would like to stay non smoking but they are building a smoking lounge.

When I still smoked all the time I was a very considerate smoker, I wouldn't smoke around kids in enclosed area or people who were eating even in smoking sections. Smoke stinks esp when eating. Vaping I dont see as being the same at all firstly, it doesn't stink and secondly I don't vape like i smoked. I will hit my PV once or twice every 10 minutes or so not sit there and vape for 5 minutes straight. Everywhere I have vaped in public people for the most part haven't noticed and the ones who asked I explained it to them, have never been approached in a negative manner.

 

[Deena]

I was a very considerate smoker, I wouldn't smoke around kids in enclosed area or people who were eating even in smoking sections. Smoke stinks esp when eating.

Me too. I was a considerate smoker and am now a considerate vaper.

I think there are good arguments about why one should vape wherever they please without concern to others feelings, but I think there are better arguments for being conscientious about other's feelings and perspectives whenever possible. The only place where I do whatever I want, when I want, is in my house. Other than that, I try to balance my needs with those around me - even if they're strangers.

About your nioctrol sticker, you should get one of those custom mods and have them inscribe "Nicotrol: FDA approved" on it

 

[jaded]

Me too. I was a considerate smoker and am now a considerate vaper.

I think there are good arguments about why one should vape wherever they please without concern to others feelings, but I think there are better arguments for being conscientious about other's feelings and perspectives whenever possible. The only place where I do whatever I want, when I want, is in my house. Other than that, I try to balance my needs with those around me - even if they're strangers.

About your nioctrol sticker, you should get one of those custom mods and have them inscribe "Nicotrol: FDA approved" on it

I though about getting a Nicochuck, would be pretty cool. but I don't like taking mods out with me only one i would consider would be the Lazer and I don't think a sticker would work. I got a friend who runs a car wrap business, figure he might be able to make me a couple to fit regular batteries.

 

[RIAFlight25]

FWIW- I agree and disagree.

Typically when Im working a flight, Im more than thrilled if my passengers wish to vape and get their Nic- we work Looooong International Flights sometimes up to 16hrs non stop! With that said...

I had a passenger not too long ago that had an ego. About an hour after takeoff, me and my crew started getting complaints from other passengers that someone was "Smoking". Now being a PV user myself, and not smelling analogs I knew what was up. I looked out into the cabin and there was Mr. Ego blowing clouds of vapor into the air, Blowing smoke rings, and causing quite a stir amongst my other passengers.

I talked to the guy, and showed him I was a fellow ego user, but I couldnt have him upsetting the entire plane full of passengers. The guy instead of obliging (I even told him he could come in back and vape with me out of view) but that wasnt good enough. He argued, and escalated the scene to the point the Captain had to get involved...

Long story short... I dont think the answer is to not vape in public, but to do so respectfully and not flaunt it. When I was an analog smoker, I was always respectful to others... not smoking right in front of a main entry door, not blowing out the last lungfull of toxins as I walked into a store...ect

Its just about common sense and common courtesy.

Safe Travels,
RIAFlight25

 

[thaitee]

Next time I saw Him I'd say, "I see you're still sucking on a paper d_ _k!"

LOL I did say that..but threw in the word "soft" before "paper" guys hate that word combined with the end word lol.

 

[thaitee]

i do constrution work,sometimes in sealed off areas in hospitals.if i can breath all that construction dust and not vape,this makes no sense to me.they also expect me to walk a 1/4 mile off of hospital property to vape in cold,or rainy conditions then they are nuts!I think it is sad that something that can save so many lives needs to be hidden.truthfully the only reason people have a problem whith them is because of the vapor. if the vapor was invisable no one would care,but would we vapors be satisfide whith no poof! probably not!

I can understand your point! I live in Phoenix, it's dry, it's HOT there is always construction and there is plenty of DUST. Sadly all the public areas of the hospital have cameras. The last thing I want is for them to see me vaping in a quiet hallway and seeing the vapor. Trying to explain it would be a hassle to the management and I would just get on their s%&t list. There are people that go off property to smoke. When it gets 113 outside this summer..you won't catch me out there!

 

[anim8r]

I agree with not vaping in public with an e-cig that looks like an analog. Regular cigarettes have absolutely earned the disdain of the general public and vaping them in the open is just begging for negative attention. For this reason, I only use my Revolver in restrooms or normal smoking areas.

However, I have never had a problem using my protege in the open and almost always get a "good for you" or "I hope it works" from people who are curious enough to ask what it is.

A lot of mods look like specialized tools designed specifically to "help" smokers quit and IMO, these are the types of e-cigs that need to get out in the open.

I have been granted permission to vape my protege at airports, in rental cars, in hotels, at work, and in restaurants.

 

[MrsJacobs]

Convincing, but way off. What reason would someone need to have a toy gun in public?

When I was 18, I worked in a gas station- sometimes working the overnight by myself. I was robbed at gunpoint once... The gun was later found to be a very realistic toy gun with the orange "I'm a toy" thing taken off.


I don't vape anywhere public without permission. But, with even local stores here selling PV's, most of the businesses here don't care.

 

[kristin]

When I was 18, I worked in a gas station- sometimes working the overnight by myself. I was robbed at gunpoint once... The gun was later found to be a very realistic toy gun with the orange "I'm a toy" thing taken off.


I don't vape anywhere public without permission. But, with even local stores here selling PV's, most of the businesses here don't care.

Point taken.

Put it this way then - there is no VALID reason to want to carry a toy gun in public. It's not helping anyone.

An ecig is helping people.

 

[bobbysox10]

I can't agree with you 100% I switched to electronic cigarettes to get the benefit of quitting with the pleasure of smoking. I refuse to put my self around smokers that are killing me with second hand smoke. Now I won't vape in a restaurant but I will vape at the mall, walmart, home depot or anywhere where people are not eating. Now if people complain too bad for them, cause weather or not it looks like a cigarette its still not, it doesn't harm people around, it hardly smells if at all and nothing is burning. This country is full people that are filled with so much smug a smug storm is what will cause the end of the world. VAPE ON!!!