Stop the presses, new lavatube 3.0 is about to hit with a 4 amp limit!

[Nago Suka]

I have the problem with the six click overheat issue with the tube I bought from VaporAlley.

I have sent Rick a request for a refund. And I don't even have the unit yet.

*update* Rick is willing to refund this unit. Excellent customer service at VaporAlley!!

 

[billherbst]

What do you think of a vendor (Ivape) who is aware of the problem and keeps selling the product but now puts a warning at the bottom of the product page ......"note: when using the 5 click method to turn the unit on/off - the unit will not turn completely off and is still able to fire in low voltage output mode in the off position if the button is being pressed. Please use caution during storage." NEW Varitube X - Black - Full Kit | MODS | iVAPE I think they are doing their customers and themselves a disservice and potentially leaving themselves open for some sort of litigation should any serious personal injury or property damage occur. They can no longer claim ignorance and by placing a disclaimer, have admitted they are aware of the problem. Is it still well intentioned or now the domain of disregard? No disrespect meant towards the fine member billherbst and his comments. Just meant to play off it.

I agree with you. With each successive day, this whole fiasco is starting to smell worse and worse to me.

What I find particularly galling goes beyond the notion that a disclaimer takes care of the problem. Below the disclaimer is this gem---"Warranty: 14 days for manufacturer's defect. Does not cover physical damages."

Oh, I get it. You're selling me a unit with a known defect that is potentially dangerous, but if my house burns down or I end up in the hospital because of that, you've covered your .... by stating that you're not liable. In other words, Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware).

 

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..."Warranty: 14 days for manufacturer's defect. Does not cover physical damages."

I think it's safe to say that when you put out a disclaimer that the unit may not shut off properly
then the unit is defective from the getgo. LOL

 

[billherbst]

I think it's safe to say that when you put out a disclaimer that the unit may not shut off properly
then the unit is defective from the getgo. LOL

LOL, indeed.

I actually ordered a Varitube X from iVape four days ago, thinking it was safe---boy, do I have egg on my face now---but this morning I contacted iVape Customer Service to request a return RMA and get a refund. I won't even open the package when it's delivered, just box it up and ship it back to them. We'll see how iVape handles my request, which was polite and matter-of-fact, by the way.

As unhappy as I am to give up the ergonomic implementation of resistance checking with a single button click, I truly feel at this point that every vendor should stop selling these knock-offs immediately and offer full refunds to every customer who bought one.

 

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...I contacted iVape Customer Service to request a return RMA and get a refund. I won't even open the package when it's delivered, just box it up and ship it back to them. We'll see how iVape handles my request, which was polite and matter-of-fact, by the way.

I hope everything works out well for you with "Customer Service" seeing as the defective product is still for sale on their site. Keep us posted.

 

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"note: when using the 5 click method to turn the unit on/off - the unit will not turn completely off and is still able to fire in low voltage output mode in the off position if the button is being pressed. Please use caution during storage."

Let's see, don't want to use regular mode right now so I'll set it to low voltage mode.

Is Low Voltage Output Mode a feature or are they trying to spin it into one? LOL
Just adding more fuel to the fire while I wait for this whole thing to burn down.

 

[Errol]

Excellent work Errol!!

As to my other issue, I've been reading about the 6-click overheating issue. Does anyone know if this is the same unit?

I haven't been able to duplicate that problem. Other than being a 3amp unit it has been flawless.

Errol

 

[cjb313]

Okay, you'd confused me for a second.

The retailers are not distributors, they're vendors (retail).....there's a significant difference.

Oh, there's no doubt in my mind that (probably the same distributor) lied to them, but knowing in advance how manufacturer & distributor AGENTS work, in China, all the more reason to verify what they're telling you is accurate!

All of these vendors should know by NOW how the game works when negotiating with Chinese agents....as they have a tendency to LIE!

Vendors should first be verifying what they're being told by reviewing a prospects ads, second by contacting the owner or regional sales manager and verifying an agent's claims and third, searching the internet for possible "flaws" or reported dangers or recalls from previous releases to other countries....before any purchases are finalized.

And if in doubt, they should be asking for references in other countries! Cuz Chinese manufacturers ALWAYS sell new releases to the UK & others countries FIRST when testing the markets!

If they're not taking those extra steps, then they're not taking responsibility for fraudulent information, cuz it should never have happened in the first place! All of that information was gathered, right here in this very thread....and I'm not even a vendor....but I do my homework!

The US is usually last in line when Chinese distr/manf release their models, no matter what it is....because we're the largest market. It's the smaller markets in other countries that take the brunt of new releases and working prototypes.

Angry?

I'm only get upset when I see lies on top of lies and when good honest people get SCREWED by unethical vendors and/or suppliers, distributors or manufacturers.

Fine if vendors take everything back, but at what cost to the community?

Eventually, all of this irresponsible selling is gonna cause regulation. Forget the worries about nic-juice and start looking at the real problems!

When vendors make false claims and sell a product that isn't what they're claiming it to be!

China isn't the US and they're not required to follow our laws, but vendors here ARE.....and consumer fraud in the area of vaping is becoming rampant, which will eventually draw intense regulation!

And that'll be the end of vaping for all of us....

And I, as well and thousands of other vapers CAN attest for the CGR18650CH!

It's the cell that will put AW's 18650's in the GRAAAVE!

Shek let me get this straight (as I don't do reguler overseas business with PV's before).. You have your Manufacturer-(Lrider etc.), then your wholesaler (heaven gifts etc) then your retailer vendors (Ivape etc.) Is that correct??
If so then how come when you run a co-op your buying directly from Lrider (my impressions from what I've read)?? Is it because of the volume of units your buying ?? So a company like Madvapes would probably have no middle man considering their ridiculous overhead..
I want to make clear that I don't justify what any of these companies have done as I was a victim of the whole Volcano battery scam way back in last December.. It's a hassle to the consumer for sure, but then again I doubt some of these small vendors would get much done if they spent so much time checking on the info that was given to them by their supplier.. I do believe there is always a need to want to make a quick buck and is probably why this type of crap keeps happening.. I also know that the vaping world is being scrutinized heavily by extremely large and wealthy super powers, just waiting for an excuse to cut off the sales of all PV's considering they hit the market with such success and with little restriction on guidelines for sales..
Thinking all of this over doesn't anger me because it's not worth my energy but it does worry me as far as the future of the PV market. I can only assume that with such a demand for these great products that it's only a matter of time before "big brother" and lobbyist take it for themselves, but hopefully that will be later then sooner..

As for the panisonic battery, I have never used them and if they fit correctly in the LT V1 then send me a link to your co-op and I will give them a shot..
Lastly I have this feeling that when BT does take this industry over they will come up with a savvy way of making our existing PV's obsolete and non compatible with what they will eventually manufacture (junk) PV's to a mass population of panic stricken cigarette smokers looking for their nicotein fix...

 

[MikeA5]

WoW! After reading most of the recent posts about the L-Rider knock offs I'm upset to say the least. I purchased my "V3",
"4A" unit several weeks ago from VaporBeast. Now I see they are not "V3" and they don't put out "4A". I've tried the 5 click shut off on the unit I have and it does shut off completely (Does not vape at all when pressing the fire switch), but if I press the shut off button once after waiting minutes after shutting down the unit (with the 5 click sequence) it goes into a low power state and you can actually vape it. Very scary! I don't take this unit or any of my tube modes outside when I'm out and about so I'm lucky since the odds of accidently pushing the button (the one that shuts it off) being pressed is reduced. But I've got to say that my confidence in using this device has been destroyed. All these L-Ryder knock offs should be taken off the market in my opinion. Just another thought is that vendors who sell APV's should test the units at their shop with the appropiate equipment to check that the APV's meet the published specifications of the units. If the APV's do not meet published specifications don't sell them period! I did buy the kit for $68.99. The items in the kit drip tip, 2 atomizers, 2 IMR 18650 batteries, 1 charger and large EGO case are being used by me. I figure the APV by itself cost me $28 (taking into acount the cost of the other items) so it's not a big loss but it's just the idea. I do own 2 L-Ryder V1 tubes and have been happy with them.
Sorry for the rant but I can't help it.

 

[Errol]

I love the speculation game =)

Appears to me like someone would like to turn this into a conspiracy. China and US vendors against the E-Cig segment of the US population.

Errol

 

[jayw]

Crystal Clear Vaping send me A E mail explaining the LOL zombie mode and recommended taking
out the battery and discontinue use until they get the replacements. I had not contacted them, and was
happy to see them being proactive instead of waiting for complaints. I know they should have done their homework before they sold them, but they are still the No.1 vendor on my list. How you handle a problem when things goes wrong means a lot to me.

 

[TheBlueAdept]

I've noticed the tube feeling really hot after carrying in pocket in off mode, thought maybe it was just warm from body heat but now I wonder!

Just tried to reproduce and either this unit (varitube x from ivape) is lucky or I don't get the steps. First hit menu 6x , then try to vape / just hold activation button, and nada that I can see. Maybe only fires on certain resistance load? Am using smok 3.0 sc in a tank.

Sent from my phone; Please excuse typos / autocorrections.

 

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I purchased my "V3","4A" unit several weeks ago from VaporBeast. Now I see they are not "V3" and they don't put out "4A". I've tried the 5 click shut off on the unit I have and it does shut off completely (Does not vape at all when pressing the fire switch), but if I press the shut off button once after waiting minutes after shutting down the unit (with the 5 click sequence) it goes into a low power state and you can actually vape it. Very scary!

Get in touch with Tim at VaporBeast and let him know your concerns. He's a great guy. Pls let us know the results if you do.

 

[billherbst]

I haven't been able to duplicate that problem. Other than being a 3amp unit it has been flawless.

Errol,

I have the Vector Variable Volt from VaporBeast, which, as far as I know, is the so-called V1.5t. At first, I thought that the V1.5t must have different internals or be from a different production run than the V1.5, because my Vector VV seemed to operate as it should. 5 clicks on the power button, and it shut down completely. Clicking a power button a sixth time did nothing. Still completely powered down.

Or so I thought. Turns out that my Vector VV (V.1.5t) goes into stealth low-voltage mode only sporadically, and seemingly at random (which, in some ways, is even worse). Sometimes the 5-click Power-off sequence works as it should, turning off the device completely. But not always.

Sometimes, 6 clicks puts the device into low-power mode. And other times, only 5 clicks does too, without even clicking one extra time. After powering back up again, the next power-down sequence of 5 clicks may work correctly.

Every time I turn off my Vector VV, I feel like I'm at the roulette wheel or the craps table.

So, if you assume that your V1.5t doesn't have the glitch, maybe it doesn't, but...

 

[Nago Suka]

I'm returning this thing regardless. Not even going to open it, just get an RMA and ship it back.

At this point, I've pretty much decided to hell with cheaping it and am going to spring for a provari. I figure it's roughly = to 4 cartons = 20 days of smoking so in the long run the price isn't a big deal.

Plus it beats having my house burnt down...

 

[MikeA5]

Get in touch with Tim at VaporBeast and let him know your concerns. He's a great guy. Pls let us know the results if you do.

Tim from VaporBeast just gave me a call. I agree with you he's a real stand up type of guy and will bend over backwoods to help me. I'll be sending my defective unit back to him and he's planning on sending me a unit that does not have the problem I described earlier. I can't say enough good things about Tim and his company. I'll keep everyone posted about how this problem gets resolved.

 

[Errol]

I'm returning this thing regardless. Not even going to open it, just get an RMA and ship it back.

At this point, I've pretty much decided to hell with cheaping it and am going to spring for a provari. I figure it's roughly = to 4 cartons = 20 days of smoking so in the long run the price isn't a big deal.

Plus it beats having my house burnt down...

I'd have bought a Provari a long time ago if it had separate +- button like the LT, maybe V3. I watched Busardo going through the menu routine to change voltages and it looked like someone sending a long text message on a miniature keyboard.

Errol

 

[Errol]

Errol,

I have the Vector Variable Volt from VaporBeast, which, as far as I know, is the so-called V1.5t. At first, I thought that the V1.5t must have different internals or be from a different production run than the V1.5, because my Vector VV seemed to operate as it should. 5 clicks on the power button, and it shut down completely. Clicking a power button a sixth time did nothing. Still completely powered down.

Or so I thought. Turns out that my Vector VV (V.1.5t) goes into stealth low-voltage mode only sporadically, and seemingly at random (which, in some ways, is even worse). Sometimes the 5-click Power-off sequence works as it should, turning off the device completely. But not always.

Sometimes, 6 clicks puts the device into low-power mode. And other times, only 5 clicks does too, without even clicking one extra time. After powering back up again, the next power-down sequence of 5 clicks may work correctly.

Every time I turn off my Vector VV, I feel like I'm at the roulette wheel or the craps table.

So, if you assume that your V1.5t doesn't have the glitch, maybe it doesn't, but...

It very well may but I haven't been able to come up with anything that resembles a Zombie mode though sometimes it takes six clicks to turn it off and others five. Sometimes five to turn it on and sometimes 6 so I haven't a clue as to what is happening, though I may have got some juice into it from a leaky carto. Time will tell but I haven't experienced anything that troubles me other than being a 3amp unit.

Errol

 

[Boognish]

I'd have bought a Provari a long time ago if it had separate +- button like the LT, maybe V3. I watched Busardo going through the menu routine to change voltages and it looked like someone sending a long text message on a miniature keyboard.

Errol

My thoughts exactly on the Provari... I also saw a review of the V-Max and watched the reviewer go through the menu showing all the options and how it operates. It made me dizzy! Who the hell wants to go through all that? I just want to be able to quickly check the resistance and adjust the voltage without using morse code

 

[Errol]

"Deal of the Moment 30% Off Lavatubes Including Stainless!" Steve K's Vaping World - e-Cigarette Reviews and e-cig News

Looks like a pretty good deal if anyone is still interested in 2.5amp units.

Errol