Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!
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Have you noticed that smoking a cigarette feels different from an e cig? Thing is the effects of a cigarette comes from not just the nic, the carbon monoxide and the tar content gives you quite some hit, dizziness and nausea, when combined with nicotine it becomes super strong. Plus the carbon monoxide lowers the blood oxygen content and that will spike your adrenaline, nicotine too stimulates the release of adrenaline. Cigarette smoke particles are far finer than the e cig smoke particle. this contributes to the faster absorption at the lungs, faster effect = more rewarding.
Cigarette addiction has to do with social too. How much memory you have associated with lighting up, strengthened by the chemical effects.
Plus the action of lighting up, drawing a puff, exhaling, seeing the smoke...
It sums up to more addiction to smoke ordinary cigarette, nicotine and nicotine alone don't do much.
Cigarette addiction has to do with social too. How much memory you have associated with lighting up, strengthened by the chemical effects.
Plus the action of lighting up, drawing a puff, exhaling, seeing the smoke...
It sums up to more addiction to smoke ordinary cigarette, nicotine and nicotine alone don't do much.
But that's just the point; unlike alcohol, I have no need whatever to "recover" from my nicotine addiction -- nicotine is not hurting me. Depending on how the regulation-thing shakes out with the FDA, I *may* have a need to recover from my addiction to the other alkaloids, simply because they may not be available indefinitely, and if I'm still addicted to them and they become unavailable, I'm going to suffer tremendously, perhaps to the point of suicide; the MAOIs are that necessary to my continued well-being. But, it seems unlikely that anything will happen along those lines for probably at least a year, so I have time, to moderate my intake and thus my dependence on them. I don't see those alkaloids as being detrimental to my health, far from it; they keep me "normal" -- but doing without them, involuntarily, that would DEFINITELY be detrimental my health, so my proactive choice is to gradually lessen my intake, to perhaps reach a point where I no longer require them, just to be normal. So, because of their ignorance, greed, and complete lack of ACTUAL care for anyone's well-being, the ANTZ are forcing this "recovery" on me, although without those alkaloids, I will in no way be "better."
Andria
To me it is not defending smokes per se. It is defending my right to chose if I want to smoke or not. I do not want "you" or the government telling me what I can or cannot do (within the confines of the law).
If I so choose to smoke with a fully function mind and body, I should damn well be able to and not be vilified in the process.
I am glad vaping has helped you to the extent it has. I doubt they will be able to fully ban it. It may go the way of being banned indoors at public places. That doesn't bother me. Used to it from smoking.
Plus it's MUCH easier to "sneak a vape" in a bathroom stall, than it ever was to "sneak a smoke."
Andria
I wonder how many people use raw nicotine base and of course never smoked?? None, LOL. Or what about those using nicotine gum and nicotine patches who never smoked?? None.
As common sense would tell you nobody is running around using nicotine by itself, no, their smoking it, vaping it (some at crazy high levels, which is absurd), chewing it, and sucking on it. So that fancy study of a handful of lunatic never smokers who used nicotine alone and aren't addicted is a joke it has no real world value because in every delivery system people use nicotine is addictive which is the same reason why the shops sell more high nicotine content level e liquid then zero content level.
As common sense would tell you nobody is running around using nicotine by itself, no, their smoking it, vaping it (some at crazy high levels, which is absurd), chewing it, and sucking on it. So that fancy study of a handful of lunatic never smokers who used nicotine alone and aren't addicted is a joke it has no real world value because in every delivery system people use nicotine is addictive which is the same reason why the shops sell more high nicotine content level e liquid then zero content level.
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If you spend enough time on YouTube and Facebook you will soon realize that there is at least one person in the world that is doing exactly that. It becomes a statistical certainty given all the idiotic things you see people doing of which you wouldn't even dream about :S
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Do you have a source to prove that high nic liquid is the best seller? It is quite the opposite with the stores I go to. The most popular strengths are 12mg and under.
I sure do, a direct source, and direct first hand knowledge. 12, 18, 24, and 36 move very quick while 3 and 6 are decent sellers for the smaller dripping crowd and 0 rarely sells except to the cloud chasers not looking to expose themselves to nicotine.
First paragraph: wrong and wrong and oh how wrong of you to put words into people's mouths to make a point to the contrary... who said anything about raw nic base?
If you look hard enough you'll find that you're wrong on each count right on this site.
Your convoluted answer has nothing to do with what you're arguing against. There are no helper chemicals in vaping and little or none in swedish snus. Doesn't matter that nicotine wasn't the only THING. Only that it was the only THING POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTING TO ADDICTION... WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN TO ANYBODY.
Funny you should say no value. We're talking about a study by a drug company. The only thing they see is value in dollar signs. And their self sustaining compounds that resemble small, immaculate cities reflect that very well.
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Oh I can back it up. But just to prove it to you ( the guy who uses 50mg nic, lol), please I won't bother as I have nothing to prove to you.
Not for me. I don't care. Though the poster you answered might like some numbers and a source he/she can confirm with.
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I'll ask again... betting I get little to no response...
Will all the vapers who've never used other tobacco products that fit in this category PLEASE give an Aye.
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Nope - I got the last word.. Vaping is a very healthy alternative to smoking. .........................................................
I don't even know how this follows from:
And I'm feeling like I agree with beckdg, or at least disagree with this notion that vapers will go back to smoking if they can't vape.
If vapers did go back to smoking with little consideration, it would seem like they'd be going back for the nicotine foremost, and smoking experience as a close 2nd. But as I stated earlier, it simply isn't going to happen where vaping is magically regulated out of existence, so other than some bizarre FDA ruling that somehow magically has majority of vapers completely denying existence of black market, I don't see this as anything but hypothetical. And as that is the case, I think many vapers who are now ex-smokers, have shown such disdain for smoking that it would seem like of all the ways to get nicotine, smoking cigarettes made by BT would be absolute last resort, or 1 notch slightly above giving Chantix a try.
I honestly think a whole bunch would give cold turkey a try, realize they aren't caught up in same sort of craving that comes with heavy smoking (or abuse) and would have almost no problem dropping the habit of using nicotine.
As a dual user, I can imagine how most would think I'd go back to smoking in a heartbeat, but as one who has gone cold turkey (numerous times) before and who has experienced moderate smoking for many months now, I'd probably just go cold turkey myself.
And spend my time re-inventing eCigs, and calling them "kids" and waiting for a politician who dares to get on a soapbox in an effort to "ban kids."
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