Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!

[sub4me]

Will all the vapers who've never used other tobacco products that fit in this category PLEASE give an Aye.

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Not so many takers to support your position are there?? That's because all those vapors are hobbyist and most of them use a non nicotine liquid to blow clouds.

Ask a real store owner what sells most, the answer is the highest nicotine content liquid they sell. Guess what sells the least?? The non nicotine liquid.

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Replace gluten with delicious tobacco, which i'm sure the same "sources" say is harmless. BAM! Healthy diet!

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Mmmm tobacco leaf salad, mmmm. With bacon*.







*- of course "with bacon" goes without saying.

 

[sub4me]

Of course it does, lol.

 

[beckdg]

Not so many takers to support your position are there?? That's because all those vapors are hobbyist and most of them use a non nicotine liquid to blow clouds.

Ask a real store owner what sells most, the answer is the highest nicotine content liquid they sell. Guess what sells the least?? The non nicotine liquid.

You and the lack of responses else wise have done a perfectly fine job of supporting my point very well. Thank you.

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[chargingcharlie]

There are some 4000 to 6000 additional additive in cigarettes. How can one not ignore those. I will use middle ground at 5000 additives. So what you are saying is that .0002 of the ingredients found in a cigarette is the only thing that creates addiction? Now I am not saying that nicotine is not addictive to some. There are many things in this world that people can be addictive to, exercise even. In my 50 years of experience I have seen many passive smokers. Those that have a cigarette every once in a while similar to an alcoholic beverage. I would not call that addictive and would contradict that smoking is highly addictive since these people don't smoke all the time and get by without smoking. While dating many of my girlfriends would grab a smoke from me. They would have a few puffs and that is it. If it is highly addictive all those people should be smoking continuously.

I don't think you read what I posted, because this reply doesn't address what I said. This thread is about the addictive nature of Nicotine. those that say Nicotine is not addictive are using all of the additional additives in cigarettes as a way to say that it's those additives that are addictive and NOT Nicotine. I was pointing out that there are other tobacco products, that have nicotine, that are just as highly addictive as cigarettes (Leaf tobacco and Snuff).

 

[WattWick]

I dare say nicotine is not nearly as addictive as internet ranting

 

[firerat]

I dare say nicotine is not nearly as addictive as internet ranting

Yeah I've been slowly weening myself to 2-3mg rants a day.

 

[bluecat]

I don't think you read what I posted, because this reply doesn't address what I said. This thread is about the addictive nature of Nicotine. those that say Nicotine is not addictive are using all of the additional additives in cigarettes as a way to say that it's those additives that are addictive and NOT Nicotine. I was pointing out that there are other tobacco products, that have nicotine, that are just as highly addictive as cigarettes (Leaf tobacco and Snuff).

Your post "You guys seem fixated on the additional chemicals in cigarettes. How do you explain those that get highly addicted to leaf tobacco and/or snuff?


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I will point out... fixated on the additional chemical in cigarettes.

I will point out... highly addicted to leaf tobacco and snuff

I thought I addressed both of those.

Just remember "highly" is a relative term.

Maybe I went of on a tangent as well... but eh..

 

[sub4me]

You and the lack of responses else wise have done a perfectly fine job of supporting my point very well. Thank you.

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LOL, agreeing with yourself doesn't make you anywhere near right. Where as addiction to nicotine is widely accepted science by most people of even mild intelligence. Nicotine is addictive in the manner of almost all delivery systems including tobacco, e liquid, nicotine gum, patches, and inhalers.

 

[twgbonehead]

I don't think you read what I posted, because this reply doesn't address what I said. This thread is about the addictive nature of Nicotine. those that say Nicotine is not addictive are using all of the additional additives in cigarettes as a way to say that it's those additives that are addictive and NOT Nicotine. I was pointing out that there are other tobacco products, that have nicotine, that are just as highly addictive as cigarettes (Leaf tobacco and Snuff).

You keep narrowing the question, and equating tobacco with nicotine. (Others have confused the issue by constantly referring to "additives").
Natural tobacco all on it's own contains many compounds other than nicotine, particularly MAOI's.
When tobacco is cured, the bacteria release large amounts of ammonia, which freebases the nicotine (I used to grow tobacco, and when it's curing properly, it absolutely reeks of ammonia!)

All these compounds are found even in 100% natural tobacco. With commercially-processed tobacco (including snus) these compounds are manipulated in order to get a consistent product (and for other reasons). Otherwise they couldn't get a Marlboro to taste like a marlboro, or make snus with uniform nic content and taste, etc. because the tobacco will naturally have fairly wide variations.

But forget about the additives, etc. Nicotine and tobacco are two different things. Tobacco is definitely addictive. That does not mean that nicotine is addictive, and studies done just with nicotine, among never-smokers have not shown any such addictive nature.

 

[beckdg]

LOL, agreeing with yourself doesn't make you anywhere near right. Where as addiction to nicotine is widely accepted science by most people of even mild intelligence. Nicotine is addictive in the manner of almost all delivery systems including tobacco, e liquid, nicotine gum, patches, and inhalers.

1 you agree with yourself

2 you're of mild intelligence

3 ALMOST all delivery systems

Am I getting this down right? I'm taking notes. I aspire to be mild one day myself.

There's a few here that have told themselves nicotine isn't addictive (seems to be alot of experts around) but of course their vaping nicotine e liquid and will also then tell you they must go back to smoking tobacco if they can't vape, lol.

I'll ask again... betting I get little to no response...

Will all the vapers who've never used other tobacco products that fit in this category PLEASE give an Aye.


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[Tonythefiddler]

Right here. Didn't smoke for 5 years started vaping, addicted. Not that I care, it's an activity I enjoy doing, but it's addictive nonetheless.

 

[twgbonehead]

Right here. Didn't smoke for 5 years started vaping, addicted. Not that I care, it's an activity I enjoy doing, but it's addictive nonetheless.

Didn't smoke for 5 years is not the same as "never smoked or used tobacco". The changes in brain chemistry seem to be permanent, or at the very least, last for an extremely long time.

 

[sub4me]

beck, stop with your nonsense, its unwanted here.

 

[jchisholm]

Yup that's a "me too".. I went from 24mg when I started vaping to 6mg 3 months later.
Of course I've massively improved delivery systems with Kayfuns and RDAs but anything over
6mg now gives me the spins and a headache.
No more croaking for tobacco every half hour either.
Bought a whole lot of Nic base at 24mg, I now have
enough at 4x the dilution to last me through any brain-farts the Canadian Govt (FDA) might come up with.
Best thing ever, closing my office door and puffing on Cinnamon Buns for two hours!!

 

[skoony]

I don't think you read what I posted, because this reply doesn't address what I said. This thread is about the addictive nature of Nicotine. those that say Nicotine is not addictive are using all of the additional additives in cigarettes as a way to say that it's those additives that are addictive and NOT Nicotine. I was pointing out that there are other tobacco products, that have nicotine, that are just as highly addictive as cigarettes (Leaf tobacco and Snuff).

nicotine when taken with tobacco in any form can be addictive.
the problem arises as i see it is when people who have never had a tobacco product
take nicotine in clinical studies testing for the medicinal properties in the treatment
of various illnesses it is noted that no addictive qualities are observed.
some have commented that they know some got "addicted" to nicotine gum
when they used it having never used tobacco before.ok,gum chewing relieves stress
and it is noted gum chewing can become "addictive". although i believe until gum chewing
has gotten to the harm producing stage which happens in a very small percentage of
people(damaged teeth) it should be referred to at worst a dependency.
it appears nicotine in and of itself is not addictive when not used in conjunction
with tobacco.
i believe in order to use the term "addiction" in its modern sense it has to cause
harm. used with tobacco harmful. used in vaping,not harmful,therefore not
addicting according to the modern use of the word "addiction".

regards
mike

 

[beckdg]

There's a few here that have told themselves nicotine isn't addictive (seems to be alot of experts around) but of course their vaping nicotine e liquid and will also then tell you they must go back to smoking tobacco if they can't vape, lol.

I'll ask again... betting I get little to no response...

Will all the vapers who've never used other tobacco products that fit in this category PLEASE give an Aye.

Right here. Didn't smoke for 5 years started vaping, addicted. Not that I care, it's an activity I enjoy doing, but it's addictive nonetheless.

Never smokers... never tobacco users. We have a bunch of ex tobacco users claiming that nicotine by itself gets everyone addicted yet we have a well described study of 400 people who used nicotine and NONE got addicted.

I'm an addict. I vape 50mg juice at 70 to 80 watts. (Calculates to ~90 watts before v - drop and mod resistance.)

BUT!!!!!

I was a heavy smoker. I can't count myself as a never smoker so I can't add to discrediting the findings.

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[Lilvapie]

I just can't get off of this dihydrogen monoxide. I am about to drink some right now.

 

[beckdg]

I just can't get off of this dihydrogen monoxide. I am about to drink some right now.

You know that stuff is worse for you than carbon dioxide.

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[Davey59]

beck, stop with your nonsense, its unwanted here.

Who are you representing exactly? I know it isn't me. Unless I missed the sarcasm, and in that case I apologies for responding to a joke.