Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!

[DaveP]

Tell ya what, you find me a e-juice that has everything in it that WTAs do, except for the nicotine, and I can guarantee you I won't miss the nicotine AT ALL.

Whole tobacco Alkaloids may just be the ingredients that satisfy what plain old nic doesn't, but also increase dependence. You may be right ... it isn't so much the nic, but the other things that smoking tobacco satisfied. I've never knowingly bought juice that contained WTA, so that may be why I could suddenly go for most of a day without my PV and then later taper down from 24mg to 6mg without much fanfare.

I've suspected that certain really good tobacco flavored juices I've bought contained WTA, but was never told that they did. One in particular from Madvapes tastes too good not to be, but when asked they just say that it's their secret tobacco formula.

 

[skoony]

It is absolutely addictive, there is no doubt it, and others saying nicotine isn't addictive are completely off base. Its a nonsense argument made up by a very small vaping only crowd and holds no value in the real world to me or to most people, medical professionals, or scientists.

i will go as far as saying one may become very dependent on nicotine.
my point is i believe across the board nicotine is not as addictive and may not
be addictive at all to some people as is the case with most abused substances.
being that vaping is so much safer than smoking in terms of harm i will not
refer to myself as an addict no matter how dependent on nicotine i may or
may not be.nicotine in the form we use it is harmless.no harm no addiction.
i know there are issues with other ingredients in e-juice but i believe these things
can be corrected and in any case do not meet the threshold of causing the type
of harm to class nicotine as we use it an addiction.
referring to ourselves as being addicted only plays into the hands of the ANTZ
who will say,"look,even they say they are addicts" this why the ANTZ war cry
is now the powerfully addictive nicotine and ENDS.(electronic nicotine delivery systems)
they want us to be referred to as addicts with all the emotional baggage and mental
imagery that goes with it.
habit that causes no harm is not an addiction.

regards
mike

 

[WattWick]

I think most people realize that nicotine is addictive no matter the delivery used and those that insist it isn't are usually the ones running around saying vaping isn't harmful its the same as eating a vegetable, lmao, get real.

One would have to work very hard at ignoring and/or misinterpreting everything said in this thread to get that impression.

 

[Jimi D.]

i will go as far as saying one may become very dependent on nicotine.
my point is i believe across the board nicotine is not as addictive and may not
be addictive at all to some people as is the case with most abused substances.
being that vaping is so much safer than smoking in terms of harm i will not
refer to myself as an addict no matter how dependent on nicotine i may or
may not be.nicotine in the form we use it is harmless.no harm no addiction.
i know there are issues with other ingredients in e-juice but i believe these things
can be corrected and in any case do not meet the threshold of causing the type
of harm to class nicotine as we use it an addiction.
referring to ourselves as being addicted only plays into the hands of the ANTZ
who will say,"look,even they say they are addicts" this why the ANTZ war cry
is now the powerfully addictive nicotine and ENDS.(electronic nicotine delivery systems)
they want us to be referred to as addicts with all the emotional baggage and mental
imagery that goes with it.
habit that causes no harm is not an addiction.

regards
mike

Dependency is mental. Nicotine is physically addictive. Nicotine’s Effect on the Brain | phillycopd.com

I'm done here with this thread of DENIAL

 

[Jimi D.]

i will go as far as saying one may become very dependent on nicotine.
my point is i believe across the board nicotine is not as addictive and may not
be addictive at all to some people as is the case with most abused substances.
being that vaping is so much safer than smoking in terms of harm i will not
refer to myself as an addict no matter how dependent on nicotine i may or
may not be.nicotine in the form we use it is harmless.no harm no addiction.
i know there are issues with other ingredients in e-juice but i believe these things
can be corrected and in any case do not meet the threshold of causing the type
of harm to class nicotine as we use it an addiction.
referring to ourselves as being addicted only plays into the hands of the ANTZ
who will say,"look,even they say they are addicts" this why the ANTZ war cry
is now the powerfully addictive nicotine and ENDS.(electronic nicotine delivery systems)
they want us to be referred to as addicts with all the emotional baggage and mental
imagery that goes with it.
habit that causes no harm is not an addiction.

regards
mike

Double post

 

[sub4me]

Who says nicotine may not be addictive? That's hilarious. I had the same withdrawal symptoms trying to quit cold turkey a few years ago as I did when I stopped taking Fentanyl for a medical issue. And I had another prescription to help with the Fentanyl. In case you don't know, Fentanyl is an opiate 100x stronger than morphine.

There's a few here that have told themselves nicotine isn't addictive (seems to be alot of experts around) but of course their vaping nicotine e liquid and will also then tell you they must go back to smoking tobacco if they can't vape, lol.

i will go as far as saying one may become very dependent on nicotine.
my point is i believe across the board nicotine is not as addictive and may not
be addictive at all to some people as is the case with most abused substances.
being that vaping is so much safer than smoking in terms of harm i will not
refer to myself as an addict no matter how dependent on nicotine i may or
may not be.nicotine in the form we use it is harmless.no harm no addiction.
i know there are issues with other ingredients in e-juice but i believe these things
can be corrected and in any case do not meet the threshold of causing the type
of harm to class nicotine as we use it an addiction.
referring to ourselves as being addicted only plays into the hands of the ANTZ
who will say,"look,even they say they are addicts" this why the ANTZ war cry
is now the powerfully addictive nicotine and ENDS.(electronic nicotine delivery systems)
they want us to be referred to as addicts with all the emotional baggage and mental
imagery that goes with it.
habit that causes no harm is not an addiction.

regards
mike

They are so scary watch out for the awful they, lol.

 

[chargingcharlie]

It's been proven to be addictive but some people (myself included) don't feel as though they are addicted to it. I think it has to do with the addictive personalities of individuals. I quit cold turkey 15 years ago and, at the time, I was smoking a pack a day AND dipping Copenhagen or Skoal on a daily basis. My mother quit smoking cold turkey when she was 35, my dad smoked a couple of packs a day of Lucky Strikes for 50 years and quit cold turkey when his friend had to have a lung removed, and my sister quit cold turkey after around 25 years of smoking 2 packs a day. My wife, on the other hand, has not been able to quit since the day I met her 14 years ago. It's extremely difficult for her so I'm hoping vaping will do the trick. She has cut back from 1 pack+ a day to about 1/2 a pack a day over the last 3 weeks, so I'm crossing my fingers! I also have another sister who has tried everything and she can't quit.


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[tchavei]

Hi. My name is Tony and I'm a nicotine addict

Until recently I believed I had addictive personality because of my smoking and coffee drinking habits (among other things like online shopping lol)

Problem is... It's not true.

I've smoked 1.5 packs daily for 24 years and just the thought of quitting would make me light another cigarette. I remember once running out of tobacco at 2 am, grabbing my keys and driving 50 miles to buy a pack of smokes... Completely addicted.

Now let's look at my coffee habit: I drink between 3 and 7 Italian expressos (3gr pure coffee in 10ml water... The real stuff) on a daily basis for maybe 25 years. However, occasionally, I spend an whole weekend or even an entire week on vacation without drinking a single drop of coffee and I have no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. I might miss the ritual of sitting in a coffee shop, reading a paper and drinking a coffee but I don't feel I need a coffee nor do I experience any withdrawal symptoms.

I can't explain why I'm so addicted to nicotine but caffeine makes no difference to me and I'm a very heavy user.

Finally, my brother in law, who says he isn't addicted to anything, discovered a few years ago that he could cure his horrible migraines if he drank an expresso. I watch him going into the coffee shop at least 3 times a week to fix his "migraine"... I'm not so sure if the migraine causes him to seek coffee or if it's the withdrawal of caffeine that gives him headaches...

Bottom line, we are all unique.

Regards
Tony

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[Plooom]

Hello my name is Thomas. I am an x alcoholic. I picked up drinking after I left the service. I will say that nic has always been an addiction to I say it's a lesser of two evils. I've been sober a year but nicotine in vape is the only vice. I drip 6mg nic and have been there for a while. I haven't been drinking or smoking cigs so my wife is loving me vaping.

 

[AndriaD]

Hi. My name is Tony and I'm a nicotine addict

Until recently I believed I had addictive personality because of my smoking and coffee drinking habits (among other things like online shopping lol)

Problem is... It's not true.

I've smoked 1.5 packs daily for 24 years and just the thought of quitting would make me light another cigarette. I remember once running out of tobacco at 2 am, grabbing my keys and driving 50 miles to buy a pack of smokes... Completely addicted.

Now let's look at my coffee habit: I drink between 3 and 7 Italian expressos (3gr pure coffee in 10ml water... The real stuff) on a daily basis for maybe 25 years. However, occasionally, I spend an whole weekend or even an entire week on vacation without drinking a single drop of coffee and I have no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. I might miss the ritual of sitting in a coffee shop, reading a paper and drinking a coffee but I don't feel I need a coffee nor do I experience any withdrawal symptoms.

I can't explain why I'm so addicted to nicotine but caffeine makes no difference to me and I'm a very heavy user.

Finally, my brother in law, who says he isn't addicted to anything, discovered a few years ago that he could cure his horrible migraines if he drank an expresso. I watch him going into the coffee shop at least 3 times a week to fix his "migraine"... I'm not so sure if the migraine causes him to seek coffee or if it's the withdrawal of caffeine that gives him headaches...

Bottom line, we are all unique.

When I was trying to figure out all the necessary steps I needed to take to fix that dehydration/electrolyte problem, I knew that my 10-cup-a-day tea drinking had to hit the bricks -- I was drinking all kinds of liquids, but all that caffeine was just making me pee it out constantly. But I knew, from when I shed a 10-cup-a-day coffee habit many years ago, I get those godawful caffeine withdrawal headaches. And nicotine withdrawal gives me a godawful headache. Some people are just more vaso-sensitive, I expect, and my own vaso-sensitivity is extreme -- a doctor told me years ago, when faced with my tiresome habit of fainting dead away at the drop of a hat, that I have an extremely sensitive vagus nerve, which is just part and parcel of that extreme vaso-sensitivity.

In any case, I did drop the extreme tea-drinking, to just 2 cups in the morning, and now and then I might have a 3rd cup, though not always -- but anytime I feel a headache coming on, or those "lightshow" flashes that signal an oncoming migraine, I start sucking down caffeine like my life depends on it -- it can completely derail a headache.

Andria

 

[Sir Pouncival]

I can't imagine stopping vaping right now either. However, I do know someone who was addicted to nicotine gum. When I told my aunt at the Thanksgiving gathering that I quit smoking and went to vaping, she told me she quit smoking too. And then chewed 2 4mg pieces of Nicorette and replaced them as soon as they were spent nearly all the while she was awake for 8 years before she quit those too. And then she went back to smoking a couple years later and quit cold turkey soon after. I believe that nicotine is somewhat addictive, but perhaps more of a psychological addiction than anything given the rat and mice studies they've done. I started vaping WTA juice after a month of nic-only juice and found that I was more satisfied and felt less of a need to chain vape, but once the craving hits, it is stronger. With nic-only juice, you get some what of what satisfies you, but not all, so you chain vape... kind of like chasing a high. Part of the satisfaction is there, but not all of it. A big portion of what we are addicted to is the habit. The hand-to-mouth motion and forced break from whatever activity you are engaged in is too easy to depend on for your mental health. And I have no desire to stop depending on it. My wife's boss has been vaping 0 nic juice for two years, and has no plans to stop. She openly admits to her hand-to-mouth oral Freudian habit. LOL My wife calls her vape her pacy, and maybe that is what we all are... a bunch of babies! Blame it on our parents for ever getting us a addicted to such a thing.

 

[beckdg]

There's a few here that have told themselves nicotine isn't addictive (seems to be alot of experts around) but of course their vaping nicotine e liquid and will also then tell you they must go back to smoking tobacco if they can't vape, lol.

Will all the vapers who've never used other tobacco products that fit in this category PLEASE give an Aye.

 

[Spencer87]

caffiene is Addictive. Alcohol is addictive. Sugar is addictive.... which is why like 1 in 5 americans is obese... and I think 1 in 3 will have diabetes by like 2040

 

[fogging_katrider]

My experience with nicotine has been that it's addictive but nothing like I originally thought. After being off cigarettes for almost a year now and experimenting with varying levels of nicotine; I can honestly say most of the stuff that makes you really addicted is the chemicals in cigarettes. However, I think people who say it's no more addictive or harmful than caffeine go a bit too far. I'm a big coffee drinker and there is no comparison.

The question more argued about is the belief of many people, including myself in comparing nicotine with caffeine is:

Nicotine IS harmless, maybe even more harmless than Caffeine.

Where is sugar on this most addictive list? Everyone I know is addicted to that... and most are slowly dieing from it... yet it's never discussed.

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Yes processed sugar is something everyone could cut back on and substitute for more healthy forms of sugar. Although in moderation not really as harmful compared to things like high fructose corn syrup found in way too many of our processed foods nowadays.

Wheat however, is even more addictive...and by far a lot more deadly than sugar could ever be.
In the American diet, wheat is pushed as being heart healthy and it absolutely is NOT. Its almost impossible to walk down the cereal isle in a food store and find a breakfast cereal which does not contain wheat. With very few exceptions most of them contain wheat and have that American Heart association "Heart healthy" symbol on the box.

Wheat is THE most fattening food substance in our diets. Obesity contributes to heart disease.
The best thing a person could do for prolonging their life is to cut out all forms of wheat including and especially processed wheat flour products. Avoiding bread, baked goods, crackers etc as much as possible is one of the best ways to lose excess body fat and lower your cholesterol in the process. Yes, wheat raises your triglycerides too... But BP wouldnt want you to know that as heart disease represents big BP dollars.

So cut out the wheat intake and of course, 3000mg a day of omega 3's along with @ 2000 units a day of Vitamin D3 will also go a long way towards prolonged life with greatly reduced heart disease risk, stroke risks, dimentia etc. Oh and dont even get me started on the unhealthy effects of grain in our diets...thats another rant altogether arrrgh....but same issue BP wants us to need their products.

 

[xcrazydx]

I'm just thankful I'm not addicted to anything besides vaping. Some of the stories here are crazy.

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[Whitewolf2014]

Dependency is mental. Nicotine is physically addictive. Nicotine’s Effect on the Brain | phillycopd.com

I'm done here with this thread of DENIAL

Taken from your link..

<The impact of nicotine on the brain is not a function of background venous concentrations, but rather a function of the enormously high concentrations in arterial blood produced when nicotine is absorbed in the lung and returned to the left ventricle prior to redistribution or first pass metabolism.
Because the cigarette releases a high proportion of its nicotine in the free-base form, absorption is efficient and fast. The cigarette produces peak arterial concentrations much higher than an equivalent dose of nicotine delivered via the nicotine inhaler (open squares).>

So Cigarettes contain nicotine, ergo Nicotine all by itself is just as addictive as a cigarette with all it's 5,300 different chemicals which nicotine is just one of? And here I thought the title of the thread was about nicotine alone. I am having a hard time following this thread of DENIAL also. As long as folks deny separating nicotine from the cigarette which is what I thought vaping was all about.

The Great Nicotine Myth

What the science tells us
• We know that smoking can create strong dependence, which can justifiably be described as addiction since there is a significant elevation of risk (addiction in modern usage implies dependence plus harm).
• We know that smokers can become dependent on nicotine as a result of smoking.
• There are clear indications that nicotine, by itself, has little (perhaps even no) potential for dependence. That is to say, pure nicotine administered to never-smokers or never-users of tobacco is not demonstrated to create dependence.
• All known clinical trials of pure nicotine administered to never-smokers, for investigation of its potential benefits in multiple clinical areas, report that not a single subject exhibited any sign of reinforcement, dependence, withdrawal syndrome or continued use. Nicotine cannot be shown to create dependence; in every clinical trial published, no reinforcement or dependence was demonstrated.
• Dependence on nicotine has never been demonstrated in those not exposed to tobacco in some form.
• There are no published clinical trials that report dependence is observed when nicotine is administered to never-smokers. No such trial (and there are several) reports any measure of dependence, withdrawal symptoms, or continuation of use.
• This leads to the conclusion that tobacco contains synergens and other compounds that interact with nicotine to create dependence, and especially when delivered in tobacco smoke.

 

[chargingcharlie]

You guys seem fixated on the additional chemicals in cigarettes. How do you explain those that get highly addicted to leaf tobacco and/or snuff?


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[WattWick]

You guys seem fixated on the additional chemicals in cigarettes. How do you explain those that get highly addicted to leaf tobacco and/or snuff?

Tobacco leaf with no added chemicals is still made up of a whole lot of various chemicals. Or 'natural ingredients' if you prefer the euphemist angle. There is significant difference between 'in addition to nicotine' and 'added to cigarettes'.

 

[bluecat]

You guys seem fixated on the additional chemicals in cigarettes. How do you explain those that get highly addicted to leaf tobacco and/or snuff?


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There are some 4000 to 6000 additional additive in cigarettes. How can one not ignore those. I will use middle ground at 5000 additives. So what you are saying is that .0002 of the ingredients found in a cigarette is the only thing that creates addiction? Now I am not saying that nicotine is not addictive to some. There are many things in this world that people can be addictive to, exercise even. In my 50 years of experience I have seen many passive smokers. Those that have a cigarette every once in a while similar to an alcoholic beverage. I would not call that addictive and would contradict that smoking is highly addictive since these people don't smoke all the time and get by without smoking. While dating many of my girlfriends would grab a smoke from me. They would have a few puffs and that is it. If it is highly addictive all those people should be smoking continuously.

 

[Niten13]

I am more addicted to Caffeine than Nicotine lol