Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!

[DaveP]

I have to side with those who believe that nicotine is not nearly as addictive as a standalone molecule. When you add all the other components of tobacco, the game changes.

Are There Other Chemicals That May Contribute to Tobacco Addiction? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)

Why Is Smoking Addictive? It's Probably Not Just Nicotine, Despite What We've Been Told For Years

 

[wootze]

Have you ever met anyone addicted to nicotine gum or patches?

From what I have seen around here, the general consensus is that nicotine is not AS addictive as once thought.

Anecdotal, certainly, but I have been addicted to the gum, patches, snus, and vaping. In that order. I have three friends who will never give up Nicoret gum.

 

[AndriaD]

The question more argued about is the belief of many people, including myself in comparing nicotine with caffeine is:

Nicotine IS harmless, maybe even more harmless than Caffeine.




Yes processed sugar is something everyone could cut back on and substitute for more healthy forms of sugar. Although in moderation not really as harmful compared to things like high fructose corn syrup found in way too many of our processed foods nowadays.

Wheat however, is even more addictive...and by far a lot more deadly than sugar could ever be.
In the American diet, wheat is pushed as being heart healthy and it absolutely is NOT. Its almost impossible to walk down the cereal isle in a food store and find a breakfast cereal which does not contain wheat. With very few exceptions most of them contain wheat and have that American Heart association "Heart healthy" symbol on the box.

Wheat is THE most fattening food substance in our diets. Obesity contributes to heart disease.
The best thing a person could do for prolonging their life is to cut out all forms of wheat including and especially processed wheat flour products. Avoiding bread, baked goods, crackers etc as much as possible is one of the best ways to lose excess body fat and lower your cholesterol in the process. Yes, wheat raises your triglycerides too... But BP wouldnt want you to know that as heart disease represents big BP dollars.

So cut out the wheat intake and of course, 3000mg a day of omega 3's along with @ 2000 units a day of Vitamin D3 will also go a long way towards prolonged life with greatly reduced heart disease risk, stroke risks, dimentia etc. Oh and dont even get me started on the unhealthy effects of grain in our diets...thats another rant altogether arrrgh....but same issue BP wants us to need their products.

I fail to understand or agree with this, at all. I've eaten wheat my whole life; I've eaten WHOLE wheat for the last 30 yrs. I'm 53 yrs old, 5' 6 1/2", and weigh 137 lbs. That's overweight? Or obese??? I DISAGREE! And without wheat, what? I already eat brown rice, but that's not the stuff you make bread out of. I don't care much for rye. Oats are great, but they're high in soluble fiber, not insoluble, which is what I most need. I love cornbread, but there isn't much fiber, and guess what, I mix wheat flour into that. Which leaves... nothing, from which to make bread.

Sounds like more junk science, to me. I'll keep eating wheat, thanks, and stay as healthy and relatively-trim as I am now. If wheat is poisonous to you, then don't eat it; don't go smearing it to those who have zero problem with it.

Andria

 

[skoony]

I fail to understand or agree with this, at all. I've eaten wheat my whole life; I've eaten WHOLE wheat for the last 30 yrs. I'm 53 yrs old, 5' 6 1/2", and weigh 137 lbs. That's overweight? Or obese??? I DISAGREE! And without wheat, what? I already eat brown rice, but that's not the stuff you make bread out of. I don't care much for rye. Oats are great, but they're high in soluble fiber, not insoluble, which is what I most need. I love cornbread, but there isn't much fiber, and guess what, I mix wheat flour into that. Which leaves... nothing, from which to make bread.

Sounds like more junk science, to me. I'll keep eating wheat, thanks, and stay as healthy and relatively-trim as I am now. If wheat is poisonous to you, then don't eat it; don't go smearing it to those who have zero problem with it.

Andria

hi Andria,
wheat is the source of the much maligned gluten
see below;adverse effects.
Gluten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
regards
mike

 

[firerat]

hi Andria,
wheat is the source of the much aligned gluten
see below;adverse effects.
Gluten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
regards
mike

Unless you have Coeliac disease, wheat gluten has no adverse effects on health.

From the WIKI page you cited:

Non-coeliac gluten sensitivity (sometimes known as gluten intolerance) is a condition thought to arise as a result of an immunological response to gluten that differs in nature to the immune response characteristic of coeliac disease. However, there is no current scientific consensus that this is a genuine pathological condition and the mechanism by which this could occur is unknown. Frequently, symptoms could arise in individuals as a result of undiagnosed coeliac disease or due to a reaction to other components of wheat, such as FODMAPs.[15][16]

People can also experience adverse effects of wheat as result of a wheat allergy. As with most allergies, a wheat allergy causes the immune system to abnormally respond to a component of wheat that it treats as a threatening foreign body. This immune response is often time-limited and does not cause lasting harm to body tissues.[17]

 

[AndriaD]

Yep, all that is true, but I don't have a single problem with gluten -- I think by now, at the age of 53, if I had that problem, it would have shown up *somehow*.

I have family members with Crohn's disease, and I think they may have issues with gluten, but my own IBS doesn't seem to care about gluten, though it does require insoluble fiber in fairly high amounts -- my IBS is typically more the constipation than ........ kind, though extreme stress can swing it around -- so I buy the "double fiber" whole wheat bread -- it gives me nutrition and the fiber I need at the same time. And is probably the most painless way to get all that fiber, at least to my own tastebuds.

Actually I weighed myself last night, since the holiday season is upon us and I wanted to establish a baseline before I start gobbling goodies like a maniac; that 137 was nice to see, since I got down to 131 right after the appendectomy, and I was afraid I had gained back too much -- anything under 140 is pretty much in the right ballpark.

My only serious digestive issue is if I consume too much fat, and particularly cholesterol; I have gallstones, and apparently cannot digest cholesterol, so I can't eat eggs, and have to be very careful with beef, to only eat the absolute leanest cuts. Otherwise I can pretty much eat anything I like, with no issues.

Andria

 

[The Cloud Minder]

Yep, all that is true, but I don't have a single problem with gluten -- I think by now, at the age of 53, if I had that problem, it would have shown up *somehow*.

I have family members with Crohn's disease, and I think they may have issues with gluten, but my own IBS doesn't seem to care about gluten, though it does require insoluble fiber in fairly high amounts -- my IBS is typically more the constipation than ........ kind, though extreme stress can swing it around -- so I buy the "double fiber" whole wheat bread -- it gives me nutrition and the fiber I need at the same time. And is probably the most painless way to get all that fiber, at least to my own tastebuds.

Actually I weighed myself last night, since the holiday season is upon us and I wanted to establish a baseline before I start gobbling goodies like a maniac; that 137 was nice to see, since I got down to 131 right after the appendectomy, and I was afraid I had gained back too much -- anything under 140 is pretty much in the right ballpark.

My only serious digestive issue is if I consume too much fat, and particularly cholesterol; I have gallstones, and apparently cannot digest cholesterol, so I can't eat eggs, and have to be very careful with beef, to only eat the absolute leanest cuts. Otherwise I can pretty much eat anything I like, with no issues.

Andria

My God Andria, with all that fiber and those scary cigarettes in your freezer, it's a wonder you don't {CENSORED} your pants all the time.

 

[AndriaD]

My God Andria, with all that fiber and those scary cigarettes in your freezer, it's a wonder you don't {CENSORED} your pants all the time.

Heh! Only extreme stress does that... like, having just had a chunk of my colon surgically removed due to sepsis in said chunk. Or, as in 2011, trying to find a decent house to buy before our evil psychotic landlady doubled our rent (on a falling-apart house!) trying to get out from under her under-water mortgage. You wouldn't believe the crappy houses on the market, from all the foreclosures -- and people going around stealing all the metal out of the AC units. I probably suffered more of that stress-derived ........ in 2011 than in the rest of my life put together!

Andria

 

[xcrazydx]

I fail to understand or agree with this, at all. I've eaten wheat my whole life; I've eaten WHOLE wheat for the last 30 yrs. I'm 53 yrs old, 5' 6 1/2", and weigh 137 lbs. That's overweight? Or obese??? I DISAGREE! And without wheat, what? I already eat brown rice, but that's not the stuff you make bread out of. I don't care much for rye. Oats are great, but they're high in soluble fiber, not insoluble, which is what I most need. I love cornbread, but there isn't much fiber, and guess what, I mix wheat flour into that. Which leaves... nothing, from which to make bread.

Sounds like more junk science, to me. I'll keep eating wheat, thanks, and stay as healthy and relatively-trim as I am now. If wheat is poisonous to you, then don't eat it; don't go smearing it to those who have zero problem with it.

Andria

Your body treats all grain the same as sugar. It's not good for us at all. I still eat bread, rice and oats though. My gf does not and I've seen the positive change it has made in her health and weight. She also used to get headaches all time and those are long gone as well.

I just urge you to read and research some more about it. You might just find out some interesting things.

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[firerat]

Your body treats all grain the same as sugar. It's not good for us at all. I still eat bread, rice and oats though. My gf does not and I've seen the positive change it has made in her health and weight. She also used to get headaches all time and those are long gone as well.

It's true if you cut out sugars and grain / starch you can lose weight, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad for you. It just means you may have been eating too much of it to begin with. Your body needs sugar in some form. Look what happens to diabetics when their sugar goes too low.

That being said, eating a bowl of pasta for breakfast is not advisable. Nor is eating white bleached flour. It's moderation and balance.

 

[Lilvapie]

White bread has a lower glycemic load than wheat bread. Bread of any kind is very good for you provided your not in the 2% of the population that should not eat it. Otherwise, it's just another first world myth that you should avoid bread. 60% of our calories should come from carbs.

 

[beckdg]

There's a few here that have told themselves nicotine isn't addictive (seems to be alot of experts around) but of course their vaping nicotine e liquid and will also then tell you they must go back to smoking tobacco if they can't vape, lol.

Will all the vapers who've never used other tobacco products that fit in this category PLEASE give an Aye.

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Anybody?

:whistles:

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[Davey59]

Wow you guys gave me a great idea! Nicotine infused breads! yummmmmmmy

 

[Lilvapie]

Wow you guys gave me a great
idea! Nicotine infused breads! yummmmmmmy

There's some actor that bakes his cakes with unheard levels of nicotine. Ridiculous

 

[AndriaD]

It's true if you cut out sugars and grain / starch you can lose weight, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad for you. It just means you may have been eating too much of it to begin with. Your body needs sugar in some form. Look what happens to diabetics when their sugar goes too low.

That being said, eating a bowl of pasta for breakfast is not advisable. Nor is eating white bleached flour. It's moderation and balance.

White bread has a lower glycemic load than wheat bread. Bread of any kind is very good for you provided your not in the 2% of the population that should not eat it. Otherwise, it's just another first world myth that you should avoid bread. 60% of our calories should come from carbs.

Moderation and balance... ahh, there's the key, which most people don't seem to get at all.

I wouldn't eat white bread, white pasta, or white rice, because food that's had 95%-98% of its nutritive value milled away is no longer food at all, IMO, it's artificial, food-tasting GARBAGE, and is the primary reason for massive obesity and many digestive problems. But cut out grains OR sugar from my diet? Not on your life. Grains (WHOLE grains!) really are the backbone of good nutrition, for MOST people, and I'm afraid that I'm as addicted to sugar as most western people -- but I try not to get carried away with it, knowing what I know about nutrition, and being as terrified of diabetes as I am -- complex carbs digest more slowly, and don't put such a strain on insulin production, and same goes for sugar consumed with high fiber. Last night, my husband was eating a glazed doughnut -- sugar and white flour -- but I ate a slice of the pumpkin pie I made for t'giving -- yeah, the shortbread crust is white flour, since I bought it and didn't make it myself -- but pumpkin is rich in nutrition AND fiber, and pumpkin pie is fairly low in sugars.

Moderation and balance. Which does NOT mean eliminating the sturdy backbone of one's diet.

Andria

 

[Tonythefiddler]

Replace gluten with delicious tobacco, which i'm sure the same "sources" say is harmless. BAM! Healthy diet!

 

[tchavei]

It's true if you cut out sugars and grain / starch you can lose weight, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad for you. It just means you may have been eating too much of it to begin with. Your body needs sugar in some form. Look what happens to diabetics when their sugar goes too low.

That being said, eating a bowl of pasta for breakfast is not advisable. Nor is eating white bleached flour. It's moderation and balance.

Hmm... So eating a delicious chocolate cake with chocolate topping running down from the top with small chocolate bits on top of all for breakfast isn't a great idea?

I have to change my diet

Regards
Tony

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[AndriaD]

Hmm... So eating a delicious chocolate cake with chocolate topping running down from the top with small chocolate bits on top of all for breakfast isn't a great idea?

I have to change my diet

ROFL!!! If I ate a breakfast like that, I'd be passing out 2 hrs before lunch!

Andria

 

[firerat]

Hmm... So eating a delicious chocolate cake with chocolate topping running down from the top with small chocolate bits on top of all for breakfast isn't a great idea?

I have to change my diet

Regards
Tony

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Now don't go putting words into my mouth.

Chocolate cake for breakfast is a delicious way to start the day.

Can't be worse than my old 3-4 cups of coffee and a smoke breakfast.

 

[tchavei]

Now don't go putting words into my mouth.

Chocolate cake for breakfast is a delicious way to start the day.

Can't be worse than my old 3-4 cups of coffee and a smoke breakfast.

I feel much more relieved nothing beats a chocolate 'bomb' and an espresso coffee in the morning

ROFL!!! If I ate a breakfast like that, I'd be passing out 2 hrs before lunch!

Andria

I have a Russian stomach... What goes in, stays there and I hardly notice anything

Speaking of which... Dinner time. My wife made shrimps with garlic, beer and onions... Be right back.

Regards
Tony

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