The FDA can't approve it. Pharmaceutical companies and tobacco companies would lose money....jobs etc...our economy can't afford it...so they won't approve it. An unfortunate situation but IMO thats the way it is
Please, don't vape where you can't smoke
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the sad fact though is that it's not going to get FDA approval...
the FDA wants it banned and a new drug aplication to be filed...which would take 10+ years and millions of dollars from the manufacturers...
in addition the FDA is being pushed on that ban by the CDC and the three letter abominations like the ALA, ACS etc.. because they disapprove of the mere appearance of smoking...(and have gone on record saying so)
and the states don't want anything that effects tobacco revenue either because they get money from the tobacco settlement...lots of those states have securitized that money into tobacco bonds and guaranteed them...that means if the tobacco companies arent making their money and paying into the settlement then the states are on the hook to pay out that money that has already been spent...so they want smokers to keep smoking and not have success with NRTs and something as effective as PVs threatens that...
Wow! You say that you're not angry but that certainly was a lengthy, angry-sounding rant! By the way, if you choose to be understood by others when posting on a message board, pay attention to spelling (e.g. "peoples" = peoples'; "vap" = vape in the context that you used it)and sentence structure. I found your rant a little difficult to follow.
BTW if there should be an instant ban on things that could jeopardize the safety of others, then no one should be permitted to wear perfume in public because it triggers asthma attacks in some people. Since asthma can be life threatening, it should also be banned, correct?
Thanks!
BTW if there should be an instant ban on things that could jeopardize the safety of others, then no one should be permitted to wear perfume in public because it triggers asthma attacks in some people. Since asthma can be life threatening, it should also be banned, correct?
Thanks!
Hogwash? Well then I suggest you blow that smoke towards a newborn since "Hey there are no studies of secondhand smoke" Harmless it must be..And while your at it make sure to vap also in the same manner. Its soooo safe right? So get right on that and I stand corrected!If there is even a small question of possible second hand problems to others then it should be an instant ban from bars etc, other peoples safety is more important then your comfort, sorry thanks
Not trying to argue but since there are no definitive studies as you suggest let me ask you even if there was no coughing involved with smoking would you even smoke in the same room with a newborn? Hogwash or not its just common sense. Kids go out to eat and so do babies and to say something that has been around for what 5 or at most 10 yrs has nicotine and the like and is safe is an assumption. Until people are using these for 30 yrs you wont really ever know of the long term effects, so if there is the slightest chance that they could have a negative effect on others, then sorry you need to go outside. Like I said your comfort comes second to others safety period. If thats hogwash then oink oink
there's a difference between being open about it and being obnixious. if management asks u to stop - u stop but do try to educate them on the subject (it's the only way we'll see progress)
don't go around blowing it in ppl's faces "just because it won't harm them" if a fellow (male) vaper tried that w/ me - even if i had a PV in my hand he'd still most likely wind up picking himself up off the floor.
but being open about it blowing it up into the air or down towards the floor or even out (just not towards anyone) is open w/o being obnoxious - if some1 wants to complain about that then they either need an education - or if they already know it's not real smoke and not harmful and just don't like the look of it then they need to b put in their place!!!
all boils down to being as simple as that the way i see it.
Hmmm I just figured something out...just found this info at wikipedia
South Carolina
No statewide smoking ban. Instead, South Carolina's 1990 statewide smoking law, the Clean Indoor Air Law, generally prohibits smoking only in (1) public schools, excluding offices and teacher lounges (unless a local school board says otherwise), (2) childcare facilities, (3) healthcare facilities, except in designated employee smoking areas (unless the facilities chooses to be smoke free), (4) government buildings, except in designated employee smoking areas (and except the State Capitol and legislative office buildings), (5) elevators, (6) public transportation vehicles, and (7) public theatres and arenas, except in designated smoking areas in common areas,[260] and in any such designated smoking area warning signs must be appropriately posted.[261] The Act covers no other places. On March 31, 2008, the South Carolina Supreme Court ruled that local governments generally may regulate smoking more stringently than the Act.[262] On September 8, 2008, the South Carolina Supreme Court ruled that the maximum fine a city or town constitutionally can impose for breaking a local smoking ban is $25.[263] As of May 1, 2009, 26 local governments in South Carolina have enacted local smoking bans.[264] In May 2008, four bills before the South Carolina General Assembly that sought to ban smoking statewide in all bars and restaurants failed when they did not receive a committee hearing before the end of the legislative session.[265]
Maybe if the OP could not smoke or vape ANYWHERE he wouldn't feel so strongly about this.
South Carolina
No statewide smoking ban. Instead, South Carolina's 1990 statewide smoking law, the Clean Indoor Air Law, generally prohibits smoking only in (1) public schools, excluding offices and teacher lounges (unless a local school board says otherwise), (2) childcare facilities, (3) healthcare facilities, except in designated employee smoking areas (unless the facilities chooses to be smoke free), (4) government buildings, except in designated employee smoking areas (and except the State Capitol and legislative office buildings), (5) elevators, (6) public transportation vehicles, and (7) public theatres and arenas, except in designated smoking areas in common areas,[260] and in any such designated smoking area warning signs must be appropriately posted.[261] The Act covers no other places. On March 31, 2008, the South Carolina Supreme Court ruled that local governments generally may regulate smoking more stringently than the Act.[262] On September 8, 2008, the South Carolina Supreme Court ruled that the maximum fine a city or town constitutionally can impose for breaking a local smoking ban is $25.[263] As of May 1, 2009, 26 local governments in South Carolina have enacted local smoking bans.[264] In May 2008, four bills before the South Carolina General Assembly that sought to ban smoking statewide in all bars and restaurants failed when they did not receive a committee hearing before the end of the legislative session.[265]
Maybe if the OP could not smoke or vape ANYWHERE he wouldn't feel so strongly about this.
Actually I'm one of those people. Not all perfumes do it, but there's some sickly sweet perfume I've smelled on old ladies that triggers a mild asthma attack (I don't even have asthma, go figure), and until I get away it gets really hard to breathe.
I've run into someone in a restaurant next to me at a table and requested management to re-seat either me or her, but their response was that they had no free tables and I'd have to wait in line for another hour.
Sad fact is that people just don't like smokers. Other people using products that are just as harmful don't get treated as bad.
Yesterday, out of curiosity, I decided to pull out my eGo and vape very openly at out local chinamart. Of course an eGo doesn't quite look like any cigarette ever made.
To my astonishment, I went completely unmolested! Of course, I was fully prepared to follow a course of "education" (in a nice way) towards any who approached me, but absolutely nothing happened at all. Even with clerks just a few feet away and even standing beside me. I saw a few vacant glances which seemed to indicate it was a "non-event" to them and that they couldn't have cared less. The kids were doing back to school shopping and this went on for over an hour... certainly, by the end I was almost giddy with nicotine and surprise. Where's a tobacco nazi when you need them? lol
Beyond that, I have already checked with my boss. It's a non-tobacco product and I CAN use it outside designated smoking areas as far as they are concerned. Niiice!
So... oddly enough, my company had already considered the issue well in advance of my question. Interesting. It appears that there is more awareness out there than I had thought.
Could it be that common sense might win this one? One hopes so.
Hide away and stay only in designated smoking areas? No, not if I can help it. I'll try to enlighten any who are willing. There's just no reason I see that it should be socially unacceptable and I refuse to take up the attitude that I should act as if it is.
To my astonishment, I went completely unmolested! Of course, I was fully prepared to follow a course of "education" (in a nice way) towards any who approached me, but absolutely nothing happened at all. Even with clerks just a few feet away and even standing beside me. I saw a few vacant glances which seemed to indicate it was a "non-event" to them and that they couldn't have cared less. The kids were doing back to school shopping and this went on for over an hour... certainly, by the end I was almost giddy with nicotine and surprise. Where's a tobacco nazi when you need them? lol
Beyond that, I have already checked with my boss. It's a non-tobacco product and I CAN use it outside designated smoking areas as far as they are concerned. Niiice!
So... oddly enough, my company had already considered the issue well in advance of my question. Interesting. It appears that there is more awareness out there than I had thought.
Could it be that common sense might win this one? One hopes so.
Hide away and stay only in designated smoking areas? No, not if I can help it. I'll try to enlighten any who are willing. There's just no reason I see that it should be socially unacceptable and I refuse to take up the attitude that I should act as if it is.
And sad as it seems the big tobacco companies are going to get on board with the ban, fearing what may happen if Ecigs take off. That or big tobacco will start manufacturing their own vapes, a more likely scenario.
That was good input, and the bottom line stands. You are right I should have speeeeeeeellllllllled better since your answer is typical of someone who cant make a reply to answer my question. And about the perfume sure ban it I could care less so I answered your question and youve yet to answer mine? Blow it in newborns faces or not? well? Im waiting?
Honestly though, I like debating lol, I dont even have to believe what Im ranting about But if an orginization brought this up what would be the answer? Then if the answer was absolutely not, then why shouldnt non smoking/vaping adults have the same right?
Honestly though, I like debating lol, I dont even have to believe what Im ranting about But if an orginization brought this up what would be the answer? Then if the answer was absolutely not, then why shouldnt non smoking/vaping adults have the same right?
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And I asked u a question too...what would you do if there was no place to vape or smoke.
Bars Restaurants etc DO NOT allow smoking AT all in NY anymore...there are some who've applied an received exemptions to this...but they are few and far between
You live in a state that has no such law...u probly still have smoking sections in your restaurants... We in NY do not.
Bars Restaurants etc DO NOT allow smoking AT all in NY anymore...there are some who've applied an received exemptions to this...but they are few and far between
You live in a state that has no such law...u probly still have smoking sections in your restaurants... We in NY do not.
For the life of me I don't understand why big tobacco hasn't jumped on board the e-cig bandwagon. Today their respect level is lower than a politician and with all the bans and negative press it is only going to get worse for them.
I know..I know its the money. But it seems to me that they could make up some of their future losses by adding e-cigs to their line up.
not only that they could become a better supplier for nic - wouldn't change their operation much either - i think they already supply for BP. add a few more workers and there ya go. instant profits
That was good input, and the bottom line stands. You are right I should have speeeeeeeellllllllled better since your answer is typical of someone who cant make a reply to answer my question. And about the perfume sure ban it I could care less so I answered your question and youve yet to answer mine? Blow it in newborns faces or not? well? Im waiting?
not sure if you're arguing with me or not...would I blow it into a newborn's face...no...not because I find any possible harm in it...but because blowing anything in someones face is just a rude ......... move...be it smoke, vapor, the garlic you had for lunch, or freaking bubbles...
but would I vape in an enclosed space with a newborn like a car, apartment, etc...damn right I would...
and you didn't answer anything..didn't bother to provide any actual facts...just parroting the same old trash myths that the ALA and the other anti nazis have been spewing for years...
I gave you plenty of facts...
you say you love debating...then you should know that you need facts to back up your statements..otherwise it's just the same old smoke and mirrors BS...
there's no bottom line that stands....
well maybe...the fact that weak apologetic smokers who have no clue should just put down their PVs and stick with the combustable cigs...and believe in everything the FDA tells you....we don't need you in this fight weakening our own side...do your damn research or sit down and ....
Interesting topic and great thread.
Yes, I do seek out smoking areas for my vaping but over the weekend I took a number of inconspicuous drags at my seat at a Jimmy Buffett concert, six rows from the front and center with no react from security or neighbors. It was so nostalgic!
Yes, I do seek out smoking areas for my vaping but over the weekend I took a number of inconspicuous drags at my seat at a Jimmy Buffett concert, six rows from the front and center with no react from security or neighbors. It was so nostalgic!
Uh oh! Have you checked your eliquid nic levels lately? You sound like you're jonesing! Take good care and calm down!
That was good input, and the bottom line stands. You are right I should have speeeeeeeellllllllled better since your answer is typical of someone who cant make a reply to answer my question. And about the perfume sure ban it I could care less so I answered your question and youve yet to answer mine? Blow it in newborns faces or not? well? Im waiting?
I posted this in another thread but it applies here as well. I have found much acceptance of the practice of vaping in the state of Delaware thus far. Delaware has been a smoke-free indoor state for 8 or 9 years now; so people are used to frequenting "smokeless" public places. If they see smoke without an explanation, they are either going to yell "fire" or yell for a manager to tell someone to put their cigarettes out.
Tonight I went to one of our 3 local "gaming" establishments for the first time in about 6 years. While I was playing blackjack, I pulled out my Ego and sat it on the table so that it wouldn't accidentally be triggered (it was in the pocket of my slacks.) About 30 minutes later I asked one of the pit bosses if I could use it. I explained what it was and how it worked. I also agreed that if anyone had complaints or concerns that I would not use it. The pit boss agreed. People were great about it and I vaped all night long without a problem. Some people asked for demos and explanations (curiosity is a wonderful thing.)
Basically this is the experience that I have had thus far in the local mall, several restaurants etc. In short, I believe that a request accompanied by an explanation and demonstration of the device works wonders. It also educates others who may be considering trying an ecig.
Oh and uh by the way, I think that I should now call this my "lucky Ego" because I sat down at the black jack table with $100 and left with $400! It would have been $500 but I "gave" some of it back!
Tonight I went to one of our 3 local "gaming" establishments for the first time in about 6 years. While I was playing blackjack, I pulled out my Ego and sat it on the table so that it wouldn't accidentally be triggered (it was in the pocket of my slacks.) About 30 minutes later I asked one of the pit bosses if I could use it. I explained what it was and how it worked. I also agreed that if anyone had complaints or concerns that I would not use it. The pit boss agreed. People were great about it and I vaped all night long without a problem. Some people asked for demos and explanations (curiosity is a wonderful thing.)
Basically this is the experience that I have had thus far in the local mall, several restaurants etc. In short, I believe that a request accompanied by an explanation and demonstration of the device works wonders. It also educates others who may be considering trying an ecig.
Oh and uh by the way, I think that I should now call this my "lucky Ego" because I sat down at the black jack table with $100 and left with $400! It would have been $500 but I "gave" some of it back!
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