Nicotine not addictive? Yeah right!

[Altaire Versailles]

Check out the stats from the Canadian poll, where most of them aren't...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-who-vape-use-no-nicotine-vapor-products.html



EDIT: Oh, sorry, I forgot the LOL

63%?? Thats really hard to believe...but one of my guys at work I got to quit and start vaping and only vaped 0%, which to me was really strange but...guess it could be. Makes sense though, because occasionally when Im out at night Ill bum a square off of somebody and the nic hit from vaping isnt really at all like what you feel from a cigarette. vaping doesnt affect my level of inebriation at all, a cigarette definitely puts me in a different place than if I was just drinking, so I could see just satisfying the habit part of smoking something being enough. I would never guess that more people quit to vape nothing than not though

 

[KC33]

I thought this was a joke when I read the subject. Does anyone that smoked have any question as to whether nicotine is addictive or not?

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I thought this was a joke when I read the subject. Does anyone that smoked have any question as to whether nicotine is addictive or not?

Clearly cigarettes are, the argument is whether its the nicotine primarily, or another chemical or group of chemicals in them causing addiction and therefore that quality not applying to vaping.

 

[Katcandoo]

Here's my on nicotine addiction. I smoked a PAD+ for 30 years. Tried different NRT's and cold turkey but nothing worked. Every time I tried to quit I was a witch with a capital "B". My husband actually threw a pack of smokes at me after three days of the cold turkey try.

I grabbed a Blue dispoable on a whim and realized I could do this! Five days later my Ego starter kit arrived and I've been smoke free for 21 months.

Did I go through withdrawal? You betcha!!! I started my nic level at 18 mg, went to 24 mg pretty quickly to hold off the cravings, and was at 30 mg for a time. I had the same symptoms, although slightly less pronounced, as quitting cold turkey, even though I was chain vaping insane levels of nicotine.

This tells me I was not withdrawing from the nicotine itself, but from the other ingredients in the cigarettes. I've come to realize that my addiction is more behavioral with the hand-to-mouth rather than the stimulant effect. *Which I can get from soda or caffeine.* It's the method of delivery that is my true addiction.

 

[Racehorse]

Here's my on nicotine addiction. I smoked a PAD+ for 30 years. Tried different NRT's and cold turkey but nothing worked. Every time I tried to quit I was a witch with a capital "B". My husband actually threw a pack of smokes at me after three days of the cold turkey try.

I grabbed a Blue dispoable on a whim and realized I could do this! Five days later my Ego starter kit arrived and I've been smoke free for 21 months.

Did I go through withdrawal? You betcha!!! I started my nic level at 18 mg, went to 24 mg pretty quickly to hold off the cravings, and was at 30 mg for a time. I had the same symptoms, although slightly less pronounced, as quitting cold turkey, even though I was chain vaping insane levels of nicotine.

This tells me I was not withdrawing from the nicotine itself, but from the other ingredients in the cigarettes. I've come to realize that my addiction is more behavioral with the hand-to-mouth rather than the stimulant effect. *Which I can get from soda or caffeine.* It's the method of delivery that is my true addiction.

Must be different for everyone. Was told to start off with 24mg or 18mg as a newbie on the forum.......found out that made me sick so I dropped immediately to 12mg and was able to quit smoking in a week. Never had any withdrawal symptoms at all and I smoked for 20 years....

 

[Katcandoo]

Everyone is different. My experience with quitting smoking and withdrawal symptoms was not the lack of nicotine. Chemistry makeup of the individual may explain why NRTS and vaping work for some, but not others.

 

[Ryedan]

Nicotine "may" not be addictive. There "may" be life on Venus. I may road rage someone some day and wind up in prison, You may decide to become a marathon runner tomorrow. That cheap atty clone you're looking at may be better than the original.

A lot of things may be or may happen. But we don't live our lives, or make important decisions based on may. We get the facts first.

Here are some facts. Maybe not in layman terms, but actual, facts backed up by controlled, peer reviewed studies. I can't send a link to the actual studies because they're behind a pay wall.

Metabolism

There is nothing in that text that shows nicotine is addictive.

There is however the following:

"How can nicotine be dangerous for the body?

Nicotine and its metabolites may be dangerous for the body. Actually, nicotine is a strong carcinogen."

Junk science that makes the rest extremely suspect to me.

 

[beckdg]

Clearly cigarettes are, the argument is whether its the nicotine primarily, or another chemical or group of chemicals in them causing addiction and therefore that quality not applying to vaping.

or the way nicotine reacts with other chemicals found in tobacco and/or added to tobacco products by the industry.

 

[Ryedan]

Check out the stats from the Canadian poll, where most of them aren't...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-who-vape-use-no-nicotine-vapor-products.html

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I forgot the LOL

Well, maybe it's a Canadian thing with me then, LOL


(And there's an additional 'LOL' for you too DC2)

 

[Woofer]

There is nothing in that text that shows nicotine is addictive.

There is however the following:

"How can nicotine be dangerous for the body?

Nicotine and its metabolites may be dangerous for the body. Actually, nicotine is a strong carcinogen."

Junk science that makes the rest extremely suspect to me.

In addition there are far to many may, might and can now(s) in the text. General science is not may or might or can now.
E may equal MC2... some may agree, some might disagree.

 

[drunkenbatman]

Threads like this kind of bum me out. Protip: You're usually dealing with someone just trying to be intentionally contrarian, mistaking it as feeling superior; or someone with a belief who'll trot out something else once you disprove the initial basis of their argument. See the moon landing being faked, nicotine not being addictive, or jesus riding dinosaurs to the synagogue.

You can't win this argument, because the person doesn't really want to learn or be informed. At best you can help inform people listening to the argument, which means we *maybe* have to have them. Still kinda sad.

 

[Woofer]

Threads like this kind of bum me out. Protip: You're usually dealing with someone just trying to be intentionally contrarian, mistaking it as feeling superior; or someone with a belief who'll trot out something else once you disprove the initial basis of their argument. See the moon landing being faked, nicotine not being addictive, or jesus riding dinosaurs to the synagogue.

You can't win this argument, because the person doesn't really want to learn or be informed. At best you can help inform people listening to the argument, which means we have to have them. Still kinda sad.

True that, for those interested in a different look at nicotine this is a good read The Great Nicotine Myth

 

[Jman8]

So why are so many people vaping with nicotine?? LOL.

Because they enjoy nicotine.

We know people get addicted to alcohol. Would this mean that everyone who drinks alcoholic beverages, when they could just as easily have drinks without alcohol are all addicted to alcohol? All of them?

I would same logic applies to nicotine users.

 

[Jman8]

Clearly cigarettes are, the argument is whether its the nicotine primarily, or another chemical or group of chemicals in them causing addiction and therefore that quality not applying to vaping.

I would say it is not clear that cigarettes are. I used to think so. I now moderately smoke. I rarely have cravings for a smoke (like less than once a month). Add this to my going cold turkey several times, and because of my experience with smoking and with vaping, I'd have tough time saying smoking is for sure addictive. I'm also convinced that if more vapers were dual users, they would smoke moderately. I recognize most would prefer no smoking at all, and some are for sure convinced that if they smoked it would be back to heavy use. But I do strongly believe that many would be able to do moderate smoking and not have the cravings like they did when they only smoked. But reality is, we will likely never know for sure.

 

[skoony]

I thought this was a joke when I read the subject. Does anyone that smoked have any question as to whether nicotine is addictive or not?

when used in tobacco form no.
the problem is when someone uses nicotine alone and
without ever having used a tobacco product it appears from clinical studies
no dependency is observed when the trials end.
The Great Nicotine Myth
regards
mike

 

[Altaire Versailles]

I would say it is not clear that cigarettes are. I used to think so. I now moderately smoke. I rarely have cravings for a smoke (like less than once a month). Add this to my going cold turkey several times, and because of my experience with smoking and with vaping, I'd have tough time saying smoking is for sure addictive. I'm also convinced that if more vapers were dual users, they would smoke moderately. I recognize most would prefer no smoking at all, and some are for sure convinced that if they smoked it would be back to heavy use. But I do strongly believe that many would be able to do moderate smoking and not have the cravings like they did when they only smoked. But reality is, we will likely never know for sure.

Well thats just like, you know, your opinion man...

 

[sub4me]

We should believe every poll we read, lmao.

 

[Jman8]

Well thats just like, you know, your opinion man...

I'd stack my opinion up with whatever scientific opinion is currently around and take my chances in any debate / discussion. Fairly confident, I'd be victorious.

 

[KC33]

Clearly cigarettes are, the argument is whether its the nicotine primarily, or another chemical or group of chemicals in them causing addiction and therefore that quality not applying to vaping.

That's not how the OP reads but they don't put all that other crap in ecigs or nicotine gum and many people are successful quitting and are satisfied with these options.

 

[Whitewolf2014]

We should believe every poll we read, lmao.

Especially from The Tobacco Control Industry ?